i rodney brooks was a guest on the programme, and he is the person who taught me a that marvin minski coined the phrase. I want to shift gear as though and talk about computers. Ah, but you spent a lot of time thinking about ah, i rodney brook's theory of mind. Well, what did he avi mind? What was he thinking there? well, he he believed, this is, i think that quote was important to me because i was trying to understand a culture that believed that souls would be animated by computers. He said they would have animation and intelligence, consciousness, soul-like qualities. And so his work plays an interesting role