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Megan Phelps-Roper on the Value of Empathy

The Ayaan Hirsi Ali Podcast

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The Normal Tools of Persuasion Are Being Demonized

i think part of what makes this conversation so hard to day is that the normal tools of persuasion, you know, things like ampathy and listening, those are or or associating with somebody on the other side. If if we abandon those things and we go toward am physical violence and trying to force people, ah, i think that's going to be really ugly and really painful," she says.

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