Bret speaks with Jonathan Pageau a symbolic thinker, YouTuber, and carver of orthodox icons.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtCTSf3UwRU14nYWr_xm-dQ
https://thesymbolicworld.com/
http://www.pageaucarvings.com/
https://twitter.com/PageauJonathan
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(00:00) Introduction
(02:47) Bret on religions being “Literally false, metaphorically true” NOT “a mind virus”
(05:35) Jon’s definition of religion
(07:57) Bret – all scientists have faith, i.e. base assumptions, axioms
(11:15) Jon’s definition of faith, as levels of understanding
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(15:45) Bret’s article of faith in evolution
(17:56) Jon’s refinement: religion is the “patterning” of being
(20:07) Emergence is the jump between levels
(21:45) Jon’s emergence
(23:34) Adaptive evolution and group selection
(26:45) Why does cooperation exist?
(28:05) Survivability of individual or group or lineage
(32:05) Google Vs Catholicism
(33:26) Point of attention
(35:55) Evolution predicts the behavior of religions
(38:46) Richard Dawkins’ memes
(42:35) Self sacrifice
(45:56) Confessions in a congregation
(49:30) Jon on importance of self sacrifice
(53:44) Rapist gene
(59:24) Geneva Convention
(01:00:39) Flip the table on the genes
(01:01:49) Purpose of organisms
(01:03:13) Consciousness and purpose
(01:05:16) Purpose
(01:09:15) One homogenous religion
(01:13:55) Centralized digital identity and mark of the beast
(01:19:59) Genes are self replicating patterns
(01:23:19) Bret’s “obsession” with genes
(01:25:09) Starting from experience, not genes
(01:31:06) Consciousness is recognizing patterns
(01:33:35) Consciousness is good
(01:39:36) Technological systems are driving us into madness
(01:42:59) We need to upgrade our consciousness
(01:45:44) Wokeism and COVID measures
(01:48:49) Damned if we do…
(01:53:59) Religion has predicted this
(01:56:39) Gain of function research and fission power
(02:01:06) Aiming for a higher good
(02:02:33) The atheist’s advantage and heaven
(02:07:13) Descendants 10,000 years from now
(02:11:14) Building of an arc, remnants, and end of civilization
(02:18:56) Update religious texts?
(02:20:39) Tools and religion
(02:24:39) Is lineage the wrong level of abstraction?
(02:29:43) Follow-through tennis analogy
(02:35:57) Cynicism around religion
(02:40:23) Consciousness comes down on existence and forms identities
(02:44:17) Tetrapods and speciation
(02:48:40) Identity and purpose
(02:50:33) Wrap up
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