Are There Risks and Benefits and Alternatives to Both Models?

In this episode I host a dialogue between Daniel Ingram and Delson Armstrong. Daniel Ingram is an independent Buddhist writer, author of ‘Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha’, and co-founder of the Emergent Phenomenology Research Consortium (EPRC). Delson Armstrong is a spiritual teacher, author of ’A Mind Without Craving’, and the star student of Bhante Vimalaramsi. Daniel and Delson discuss the similarities and differences between their doctrinal positions and personal experiences of the 4-path model of Buddhist enlightenment, which ranges from stream entry to arhatship. In this collegial yet rigorous dialogue, Daniel and Delson engage in detailed debate on the differences in their positions and draw on personal experience, scriptural examples, and issues of scientific verification. They also discuss the effect of enlightenment on psychopathy and other personality disorders, reflect on which meditation methods best fit different personality types, and conduct in-depth analysis of the phenomenon of ‘nirodha samapatti’. … Video version at: https://www.guruviking.com/podcast/ep136-meeting-of-the-dharmas-daniel-ingram-delson-armstrong 
Also available on Youtube, iTunes, & Spotify – search ‘Guru Viking Podcast’. … Topics Include:
 00:00 - Intro 01:49 - Daniel on stream entry 05:03 - Delson on stream entry 08:08 - Afterglow of stream entry and dependent origination 14:34 - 3 fetters discussion 24:24 - Does stream entry result in moral improvement? 28:49 - Can you retrain a sociopath with loving kindness meditation? 30:51 - Does stream entry make sociopaths and psychopaths more dangerous? 35:18 - Saints & psychopaths - how can we differentiate? 41:03 - 2nd path and the reduction of craving and aversion 47:30 - 2nd path vs stream entry - which is more profound? 53:13 - Daniel on 3rd path 56:18 - Delson on 3rd path 59:23 - Daniel’s critique of the traditional 3rd path position 01:03:05 - Delson and Daniel dialogue about 3rd path 01:10:40 - Is it possible to completely eradicate craving and aversion? 01:16:00 - Scientific testing and Bikkhu Analayo’s critique 01:23:39 - Delson on TWIM the importance of method 01:26:18 - What is nirodha samapatti? 01:28:08 - Comparing Daniel and Delson’s abilities 01:29:33 - How to train for nirodha samapatti 01:32:25 - Different personalities and jhana aptitude 01:36:43 - Resolution training and balancing enlightenment factors 01:38:18 - Steve on Delson’s yoga training and the three humours 01:43:40 - More on matching personality types to meditation methods 01:53:58 - Arhatship and agency 01:56:20 - Agency vs conceit 02:00:21 - Disagreement between Daniel and Delson about outcomes of arhatship 02:08:30 - Compassion vs suffering 02:13:01 - Suicide and arhatship 02:21:17- The dusty end of the path 

… Daniel Ingram Episode Playlist - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlkzlKFgdkny_MJSecHyvKHPpvxTskBAC Delson Armstrong Episode Playlist: - https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlkzlKFgdknxiWzbRXNY29pSwlAcDYF_r To find out more about Daniel, visit: - https://theeprc.org/ - integrateddaniel.info To find out more about Delson Armstrong, visit: - https://www.suttavada.foundation/our-teachers/ - https://www.dhammasukha.org/ … 
For more interviews, videos, and more visit: - www.guruviking.com … Music ‘Deva Dasi’ by Steve James