The Cold War and the NSA

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In 1992, there was a declassification which showed that again, that final 10% a bunch of that was the YouTube spy planes and stuff that people were just seeing up in the sky. And it's also one of the things to wear with that gap. It goes from things they don't want us to know for a very mundane reason, which is, oh, it's a spy plane. There's no clear example than the object that crashed outside of Roswell in New Mexico,. where a rancher saw it before there was reporting of the flying saucers in the Pacific Northwest.

Paris Marx is joined by Kelsey Atherton to discuss the renewed interest in UFOs, where the conspiracy theories of aliens in the sky came from, and whether flying saucers might really be watching us.

Kelsey Atherton is a military technology journalist. He contributes to Popular Science and has written for Slate. Follow Kelsey on Twitter at @AthertonKD.

Tech Won’t Save Us offers a critical perspective on tech, its worldview, and wider society with the goal of inspiring people to demand better tech and a better world. Follow the podcast (@techwontsaveus) and host Paris Marx (@parismarx) on Twitter, and support the show on Patreon.

The podcast is produced by Eric Wickham and part of the Harbinger Media Network.

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Kelsey has written about how the military’s culture of secrecy breeds UFO conspiracy theories, why sensors are an important aspect to consider, and the truth of Area 51.
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