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Ruby and Phoenix
I always have to go back to Ruby and Red, because that's what I know best, except for Alex in Phoenix. He built sort of like a cellicle layer on top of like some core improvements to it. And he found the beam VM fell in love with the beam VM, but didn't quite sort of like, like, as a language as much. But still it feels that Alex is very sort of like dependent on him. So there is other people don't get me wrong, but it's, it still feels like, you know, if Joseph went away, we made this joke half an hour ago or something.