The Futures Curves Are Upward Sloping

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Oil prices in real terms are flatish since 1925, which is when our data set goes back to. Oil and gas companies are up over 8% per annum real over the same period of time. Look at metals. Those prices are flatish in real terms of the last 100 years, same as oil prices. They're up closer to 9% annualized per year for the last100 years. The equities are much, much better than the commodities themselves.

Rebecca Hotsko chats with Lucas White, the portfolio manager at GMO for The Resources and Climate Change Strategies and a partner of the firm. They talk about his outlook for the energy sector, why he thinks energy is still very cheap and undervalued, his views on clean tech companies, and more.

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00 - Intro

04:19 - His outlook for the energy sector and the main drivers of performance for the sector long term.

02:25 - Why Lucas thinks energy is still very cheap and undervalued at today’s prices, even after the price run up in 2022.

23:58 - Which segments of the market he thinks are most attractive in this space and offer the greatest opportunities long term?

29:56 - His views on clean tech companies and the opportunities he sees in this space.

29:56 - His thoughts on coal companies transitioning to clean energy and why this may actually reduce shareholder value.

39:31 - How today’s energy crisis is different from previous ones, such as the 1970s oil shock.

41:50 - How the move towards net zero climate targets will change the demand for resources.

41:50 - Which resources will benefit the most from this transition?

41:50 - Why he believes copper is the most important resource required to meet the need and demand for the energy transition.

46:37 - Why Lucas prefers investing in the equities that are producing commodities rather than the commodities themselves.

And much, much more!

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