Sally Kohn: Are you taking the more utilitarian approach here? She says she doesn't really have strong substantive moral theory herself. So I'm almost to the point where I'm willing to accept some kind of day ontology rather than some kind of consequentialist way of thinking, but I'm not quite sure what that would be.Kohn: Do we expect that there's going to be a moral theory that matches all of your intuitions at some point? And in addition, I might point out, now I'm being a utilitarian for some reason, by the way.

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