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Ep 180: Deem Journal’s Alice Grandoit-Šutka on Rituals of Listening

Clever with Amy Devers

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What Do You Do When You Aren't Listening?

Sally Kohn: I love that it's all grounded in the ritual of listening because as my work on this show and story stewardship has progressed, I also feel really connected to and empowered by the act of listening. In Haitian culture, kids are essentially taught that their essential function as a child is to listen. So I think maybe that is a way of kind of anchoring into that practice since it's kind of funny. My formative years and my youth were pretty chill and I'm very thankful about them. And then I basically also have a birthday that's pretty late in December and sometimes, like, especially when you're super young, if you don't meet a cut off

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