I wasn't ready back then like three or four years ago at all. I've had several people that have been in that circumstance where you know I'm working with the marketing director of the CMO and they are very combative with me at first because they think I'm gonna come in and like fuck things up. And then what they realize over time is that oh I'm there to help them You know and like we have to get through that. It's almost like a game now, it would have never dawned on me before.

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