iintu at trans personal means, just outside of the norm, expanding beyond like the veil or the limits of where my ego had held its known reality. We're working with india ma that works very much on the nero chemical cascade a this norpenefron, saratonan and dopemine availability now at expeditial levels. So all of these relational levels are getting explored. Even if a person is atheist or agnostic, there's still the experience of something outside of the known ego. And oftentimes we've seen that, like if people have had an experience with mdma and then go into a therapeutic setting there, like wile, this feels totally different than

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