productivity was maybe the driving or the way productivity was, I think productivity is as had a bit of a reframe or needs a reframe. Now we're at this point where it's like, we have these systems and frameworks and tools in place so that we can go for a walk in the middle of the day and not feel bad about it to spend time with our loved ones. What's most fulfilling for me today is very different from what's most fulfilled for me 10 years ago. And it'll be different when you're changing. Yeah, absolutely,absolutely. Well, this has been a great conversation and I know you andI could talk much longer because we could geek out about

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