A lot of people who like do this crazy, sad startup at first and they're fighting through all these thorny problems that aren't really their life dream. And then later on, when they look back and see what they enjoy when they want to get started again, it's running conferences or doing office hours. Once you've sort of achieved that nest ad, like you also have the clout to do that and make money from it. People will pay you $5,000 to go on a treat with you because you have those wins under your belt. So David cancels just an anomaly to me. I'm like, this guy is unbelievable.