This has been awesome. And the last question we ask all of our guests, what conventional wisdom or advice do you think is generally bad advice? Trust

your gut. That's got to be the worst. If the decision doesn't matter, it doesn't have any long-term consequences. It's a super inexpensive door to go back through. Sure, trust your gut. You're going to end up turning away from a lot of skids that you should be turning into. Sometimes your gut's pretty good, but if you don't make explicit how your gut is modeling a problem, you're going to just miss a lot of errors.

I never trust my gut to do something, but I almost always trust my gut to not do something. So if it said to hire somebody, I wouldn't trust my gut, but if it said don't hire this person, I would definitely trust my gut. Where do I have it wrong there?

If you've gone through a really good decision process and then your gut or intuition is like, I think that's a really good reason to go back and examine. When someone has a lot of experience, sometimes there's something that they may have missed and their gut is putting up an alarm bell. I'm a little nervous about this. And I think that then you should go back and look, because I think the thing that you should always strive to be able to do is actually give the real rationale for why your gut feels that way. I just think that's really important. Now, if you want to have a rule that your gut can't make you do something, but it can stop you from doing something that might be okay. Except what if you're like super risk averse? Now you're going to make a lot of really bad decisions on that rule. What I like to do is think before I face a decision, what are the things that I care about? What are my values? What's the threshold for deciding? I try to sort of think about all of those things in advance. Then I go through all the work of doing it. And then if there's something going ping, ping, ping, ping, ping, I'm going to go back and look at this work again. What more information do I need to know in order to understand? Because I'm going to say, well, why is my gut feeling like that? And then I'm going to go from there. It's

been great. Thank you, Annie Duke, for joining us on Roll to Das. I follow you at Annie Duke on X. I definitely encourage our listeners to engage you there. This has been a ton of fun.

Well, thank you for having me. This was a super fun conversation.

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