I'm not so pessimistic in the sense that we don't think that I don't think personally, this is totally now subjective opinion. We have enormous challenges. There are some people who think that we are doomed to cows or to really bad, bad times. These projects give hope. They are examples of what can be done and I think they are very, very like sheets of change. The ROI is determined by social decision and economic decision. Nothing is written in stone. In this sense, I'm aware that we need a change, a radical change.

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