The Importance of Listeners in Europe

We have more listeners in China than some of the European countries, which at times feels odd as a European podcast that there are so few. I think an example would be Portugal. That actually made me think about Portugal because when we first went to UXLEX back in the day, when we started the podcast, and UX really wasn't a big thing back then. There was no buy-in for managers. It was just essentially interaction design and interaction design by requiring a specification. You weren't even allowed to be creative. Just had to draw something on paper because somebody had written what you were supposed to draw.