Michael Recce – Tim Cook’s Dashboard - [Invest Like the Best, EP.91]
Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Investing in the Data
It has become one of the most important trends in investing, is the move towards rule space. The idea is that there's lots of information that's in the worldand that's not in the market. A lot of these data are in things like people's navigation so mark suckeberg was just in front of congress.
My guest this week is Michael Recce, the chief data scientist for Neuberger Berman. The topic of our conversation is the use of data in the investment process, to help cultivate what is commonly referred to as an information edge.
I call the episode “Tim Cook’s Dashboard” because of an interesting question that Michael poses: if you armed the best apple analyst in the world with Tim Cook’s private business dashboard, what might that be worth? Effectively Michael’s goal is to recreate the equivalent of a company dashboard for many businesses, helping analysts understand the fundamental health and direction of companies a bit better than the market does, and in so doing create an actionable edge.
This is a daunting task, and you will hear why. It requires both a fundamental understanding of business and of data, statistics, and methods like machine learning. In our own work, we’ve found machine learning to be useless for predicting future stock prices, but extremely useful for other things, like extracting and classifying data.
This conversation can get wonky at times, but as listeners know that is the best kind of conversation, even if it requires a second, slower listen. I hope you enjoy this talk with Michael Reece. Afterwards, I highly recommend you invest the time to read a series of posts called Machine Learning for Humans, which I will link to in the show notes. It helps demystify the buzz words and explain how these new technologies are being used.
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Show Notes
2:44 - (First Question) – Changes in data science through the lens of Michael’s career
5:17 – The basic overview of using data and machine learning to create an edge
6:58 – How the state of business is more than just a single data point
7:53 – How you know when you’ve pulled a real signal from the noise of data
10:49 – The advantages that data provides
13:01 – Is there still an edge in decaying data
15:34 – Building data that would predict stock prices
19:43 – Prospectors vs miners in data mining
22:18 – Knowing when your prospectors are on to truth
27:09 – Understanding machine learning
30:10 – Defining partition
32:17 – Applying the parameters of selection process to stocks
36:05 – What’s the first step people could take to use data and machine learning to improve their investment process
38:54 – Building a sustainable advantage within data science
41:35 – Predicting the uncapped positive vs what’s seemingly easier, eliminating the negative
43:58 – How do we know to stop using a signal
46:22 – The importance of asking the right question
47:09 – Categories of objective functions that are interesting to measure data against
47:42- Crossing the Chasm
48:37 – Most exciting things he’s found with data
51:17 – What investors, individual or firms, has impressed him most with their use of data
52:17 – Will everyone eventually shift to being data informed or data driven
55:33 – Wall Street’s use of data vs other industries
55:36 – Sam Hinkie Podcast Episode
57:48 – Why everyone should know how to code
58:52 – Kindest thing anyone has done for Michael
59:22 – One Two Three Infinity
Learn More
For more episodes go to InvestorFieldGuide.com/podcast.
Sign up for the book club, where you’ll get a full investor curriculum and then 3-4 suggestions every month at InvestorFieldGuide.com/bookclub
Follow Patrick on twitter at @patrick_oshag
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