"I've been reflecting quite a bit, for whatever reason, on poverty, chastity, obedience," he says. "It's about service. It's about making the decisions that are most important." In religious life, those are the vows you take. But in married life, it's a similar thing: Like you take a vow of poverty. And so there really is, it manifests itself in different ways, but as a disciple of Jesus, you don't get away from poverty,.