This week, Natasha chatted with Haje Kamps and Brian Heater about CES which took place last week over in the ever-exciting Las Vegas area. All of our fantastic CES coverage can be found on the site, but for the purposes of today's show, we tried to keep it analytical, chatty and, at times, even a bit robotic. (You'll see what we mean).

Here's what we got into:

• Post-CES feelings and why the show has stayed relevant after all these years
• How expectations of the show compared to the reality, robot pillows and all
• Who did and didn't show up
• Brian's new suggestion for what the conference should be called 
• The energy of innovation on the showroom floor, from sustainability to big swings to over-engineered blenders
• Batteries! 
• And finally, how the downturn and COVID-19 may have impacted the way startups are pitching themselves to the public. Selection bias, it's a thing!

You can follow Haje through his work on the Daily Crunch, Brian through his work on Actuator and as always, catch up with us on Twitter @EquityPod.

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