An active ownership makes sense because that's the way that they can influence the companies and by voting at AGMs. For a bank lender, first of all, the dialogue is much more of a partnership type than now we engage with you. If an shareholder divests, then there's not really any action needed by the company. I mean, it's not financing leaving the companies. It's something that happens in the secondary market. But whereas a bank then divests or discontinues the relationship by not refinancing, then it actually requires some action by theCompany. They need to find a new lender, a new financer to take the seat of the one who has not decided to ref

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