I think that porn has its uses I'm not like anti porn it's titillating it can be really fun for couples you can learn what you like but the problem is that porn without accurate sex education is a disaster. A lot of young kids who grew up with an iPad in their hand or phone in their hand like they've been seeing porn since they were eight years old and then they're seeing porn they're like well that must be sex that's how sex happens. And so maybe just by labeling sex as extreme I'm putting a stigma on it, he says.