KB: I have been trying to do this whole like doing things from a place of love thing. And so for me that's animals and people that I love. Grief is basically a remapping of the space. Where are they? Time when are they? And then this kind of abstract map representation that we call closeness. So grief is love. We got pretty nerdy there for a minute but hopefully the tools redeemed those who were only interested in practical tools.

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