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Breakdown of Soldiers and Soldiering by Field Marshal Archibald Wavell. They discuss the tension between soldiers and politicians, the importance of initiative and decentralized command, and what truly defines good leadership in war and life. The conversation covers discipline, toughness, morale, training, communication, and why action beats hesitation. Throughout, they connect historical lessons—from Lincoln, Grant, Rommel, and others—to modern leadership, combat, business, and personal responsibility.