In both of your books, you really focus as much on the constract of whiteness as much as blackness. And i guess it's important to understand the origins of racialized king in order to imagine a different way forward. Could you share a little bit about how you think this kind of awareness can help us move the conversation on? Yes, completely. If we can understand that race was invented in order to create and a kind of justify racism and its relatively recent and modern invention, then that kind of frees us up to know that there is a natives.

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