Chris: I think that you can never go wrong with user testing and I'm a big advocate for it. But there's also some interesting sort of things that we don't think about sometimes in the midst of that where like my conversation with Niri Al, he made a really fascinating point. Chris: For a long time, what I thought of and what I did was give me something to design, you know, like a Photoshop file or a JPEG or something. And I'll convert that to a web layout,. You know, like I love that. We don't have like a full time designer, for example, at Code Pen, who's just tossing me designs to build all the