I was reading some of the literature before this interview on the violent violence and shootings, and how 80 per of people who were incarcerated, who had participated in shooting, had actually had suicidal thoughts before that. And what it takes to basically believe that you, you know, that there isn't a sort of a better future, there isn't some other thing tha's going to happen. I think that's a very interesting, invisible belief that people hold, whether or not there is a future. For me, it's not surprising that we are having such an increase in mass shooting, an racial shootings, as we've seen over the last two years. It's an indicator that something seriously wrong

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