In episode 19, Chris and Emma were joined by Stephanie Tolan, an author and long-time advocate and champion of the gifted. This episode was inspired by Stef’s chapter in the book Living with Intensity called “What We May Be: What Dabrowski’s Work Can Do for Gifted Adults.” We’ve had enough feedback from listeners to know that we needed a deeper dive into the theory’s levels of development and that we needed to push back a little on the established dogma. We’re grateful for Stef’s willingness to join us for this conversation about Dąbrowski’s levels.

Stef talked with us about her realization that there are more people at the highest level of development than Dąbrowski acknowledged in his writing. We talked about how her beliefs about consciousness and higher-level development have changed over the years. We discussed exemplars, reincarnation, and the limited understanding that we currently have about the levels of development and their many permutations.

Resources mentioned during this episode:

Stephanie S. Tolan’s website

Living with Intensity by Daniels & Piechowski (from Gifted Unlimited, LLC)

Lives of Positive Disintegration by Michael M. Piechowski (links to ResearchGate)

A Hobbit, a Wardrobe, and a Great War by Joseph Loconte

Peace Pilgrim website

Peace Pilgrim’s works are available for download in multiple languages for free.

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