This is down Lightman's point. We talked about in a previous episode and the metaphor he uses of the ant colony that somehow manages to learn how to create, write music and write literature. But then a big flood comes and wipes it out and it's over. And I love the idea that yes, I'm part of this great chain of activity, but if the chains get in and it's not inherently meaningful, what's the point? That would be your critique of Scheffler's argument, correct? Right.

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