And there is. You know, I mean, we're pretty identified with our brains. You know, we're not so identified with our spleens, right? I mean, so if our brain starts to go, we think, oh, there's nobody there. You know, oh, there's no value for this life. Oh, why? We don't say that about our spleens. You know, there's a whole human being there. This organ is not functioning. But there's a whole being there that can still receive our love, can still feel touch, can, you know, watch this beautiful film that's out there called A Live Inside. Maybe you've seen it. It's about a social worker who starts playing music for people with Alzheimer's and serious dementia. And they come alive. They don't. Their dementia doesn't go away. They're not their ability to appreciate life steps come forward. So, yeah, there's a whole human being there.

So another thing going on in the world around death is that, besides the thought and thought dementia, is physician assisted suicide, basically, checking out on purpose. Yeah.

What's your view on that? You know, for a long time, I mean, I haven't been in a program where somebody hasn't asked me and for a long time, I didn't necessarily share a view because I wanted the culture to wrestle with it, actually. I didn't want to be the expert saying, okay, this is the right answer. And I still feel that way, actually. But the culture is wrestling with it. You know, we have now five states where physician assisted death, by the way, not suicide. That's how we think about it. It's legal. California. Just approved it. In Oregon, which is the state I'm most familiar with and has the best data, Barbara Kumsley and I sat down four hours in her office one day talking about this subject. She wanted me to be on their national board and I wanted to get informed. So here's the stats. It's been 1997, the Oregon logout passed. Twenty years we've been doing this. 1545 people have applied for prescriptions to end their life. 991, I think, have actually taken the medications. That's about 49 people a year. That means that thousands of people have wanted information, got it directly or indirectly. Over 20 years, 1500 or so have gotten the medications, but only 900 have taken the medications. That tells me two things. One is it's really reassuring for people to know

that they

can do this.