Neurodiversity vs Us-and-Them Thinking

In this first of a two part episode, Dr Luke Beardon - senior lecturer in autism, long-time educator, and author of Autism in Adults and Avoiding Anxiety in Autistic Adults - sits down with Ben to unpack why the language we use around autism matters more than we think.

Luke explains why he rejects terms like “the autism spectrum,” and even “autistic behaviour,” and introduces his concept of autistic epistemology - a way of understanding autism grounded in lived experience, not pathology.

Together, they look at the myths that still influence public thinking, the gaps in UK education, and why simple changes can make learning environments more inclusive for everyone.

This episode is a sharp, thoughtful, and refreshingly human look at autism that challenges old ideas - a genuinely empowering listen for autistic people, parents, educators, and anyone trying to understand neurodivergence better.

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Host: Ben Branson

Production Manager: Phoebe De Leiburné

Video Editor: James Scriven

Social Media Manager: Charlie Young

Music: Jackson Greenberg

Head of Marketing: Kristen Fuller

00:00 Introduction

1:00 What Drives Luke’s Work in Autism After 30 Years

4:40 Why Language Matters: Rethinking How We Talk About Autism

10:00 Autistic Epistemology: Luke’s Groundbreaking Framework

13:08 The Biggest Myths About Autism: Debunked

28:48 How to Share Your Needs as an Autistic Person (Luke’s Practical Advice)

31:44 “Autistic” vs “Person with Autism”

34:07 Why Luke Rejects the “Superpower” Narrative

35:50 Hope for the Future: How Autistic Language Is Changing

39:30 Communication, Miscommunication & Being Autistic

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