Group size itself important or is that just the number you picked? Well, I think it's important that it be big enough that you have multi-team dynamics. You can't do this kind of change to 10,000 people at a time. So we try to get our ring around a group that can mostly ship its work with the people inside the circle and then we try to cap it at like kind of a 150 Dunbar's number kind of zone because if you get much bigger than that, it's just a lot to manage. And so culture comes with it, right? Because it is like, Hey, we're going to change how we operate because this data suggests there's

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