Catholicism as Both Religion and Governance

Join us for an in-depth discussion as we break down the Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson interview. In this episode, Simone and Malcolm share their candid reactions, explore the most controversial moments, and analyze the broader implications of the conversation. Whether you’re interested in media analysis, political commentary, or just want to hear thoughtful perspectives on current events, this episode offers a nuanced take you won’t want to miss. Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more insightful conversations and interviews. Share your thoughts below—what stood out to you most in the interview?

Episode Transcript:

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. I have been looking forward to this episode. We both watched the Nick Fuentes Tucker Carlson interview, and my first thoughts upon watching that interview was to pick up my phone to call Mossad and say, Mossad, I found the guy who’s turning everyone into antisemite.

You need to watch this video name. Is Ben Shapiro.

Simone Collins: Oh, Ben Open.

Malcolm Collins: It’s so funny because if, if you watch the video, it’s very clear that Nick Fuentes did not start with any anti-Semitic beliefs at all. No. It was completely pushed into them by extreme and incredibly immoral acts by Ben Shapiro. And if you look at Candace Owens, it appears that she also had a similar journey.

Simone Collins: Yeah. He just keeps radicalizing people with platforms against Israel

Malcolm Collins: and huge. Well, and what’s funny is he will do this to anyone, he did this to us when we first started rising Israel, like right wing stars. His first intuition was to just [00:01:00] attack us. Yeah, I think he referred to us

Simone Collins: as something along the lines of insufferable nerds.

Malcolm Collins: He accused us of being nerdy. But I take nerd as a compliment. So this means I’m at the top of the nerd hierarchy here, thank goodness. But in this video, what we’re gonna be doing is we are going to be taking a deeper analysis into Nick Fuentes views, and through that elucidate. Something parts of American history and American identity that I think a lot of people aren’t very aware of because it’s been largely covered up in the school system.

Mm. And it makes Nick Fuentes entire worldview when you are aware of this. Come off as a little confused if I’m gonna be honest. And we’re also going to think through how you can have people with different long-term goals sort of working together in the same group. Because I think when you think through what Nick Fuentes his long-term goals are, they’re very antagonistic to our long-term goals, but I think we could still work together.

And he also seems like a decent guy from what I’ve seen even Yeah. For the

Simone Collins: record, we, we actually reached [00:02:00] out to him hoping that he would just come on Yeah. To be interviewed on this. Like, we’d rather just ask him directly about these things. Unfortunately, he didn’t respond, so we’re gonna have to just go on, on, well, Malcolm did extensive research on things he has said online publicly that are documented.

So we’re doing our best here, but. Well, no, a lot of, if you ever see this, we’d love to have you on.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. And, and I, I will also say that upon hearing through this interview, what Ben Shapiro did to him when he was like a kid. Right. Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire, this giant, like multimillion dollar company actively trying to destroy a kid’s life for years, just for asking questions.

Yeah. What on earth? Yeah. Feasible to ask. I, I was like, okay, I can see how Nick Fuentes ended up where he is. But, but what’s so funny is us and Nick Fuentes, and you’re gonna see this throughout the interview, is it sort of like somebody comes out to us and they’re like, you need to denounce Nick Fuentes.

And I’d be like, why, why do I need to denounce Nick? Like at one point, Ben Shapiro got him [00:03:00] while he was in college, put on a no fly list, so he couldn’t even fly domestic. Oh, that

Simone Collins: wasn’t Ben Shapiro. That was No,

Malcolm Collins: it was Ben Shapiro’s organization. The Daily

Simone Collins: Wire.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, the Daily Wire reached out to the Media Matters organization and then Media Matters got him banned, put on a no fly

Simone Collins: list.

Oh, oh, so the Daily Wire started it. I didn’t catch that. I, yeah,

Malcolm Collins: yeah, yeah. It’s pretty much all orchestrated by the Daily Wire. Not like Ben Shapiro directly, but it seems pretty clear that he directed somebody else to do this. Oh, wow.

Simone Collins: Okay. That’s, yeah, I mean, and that’ll people able to fly for a year.

That’s, especially as a media

Malcolm Collins: figure. That’s crazy. Denounce Nick Fuentes. And I’m like, why, why should I denounce Nick Fuentes? And they’d be like, well, he’s an antisemite. And I’d be like, well, you know, no group should really be above question. I I think it’s, it’s, it’s healthy in a society. Like, okay, okay, that didn’t work.

He wants an autocracy and I’m like. I mean, democracies do seem to be fraying at the edges right now, and I can see that it might be worth exploring new forms of government. And they’re like, oh, okay, okay. He wants to make America a Christian country. And [00:04:00] I’m like, well, I mean, I, I think it was sort of founded that way.

And I don’t have a particular problem with it. And they scratch their head and they’re just like, so you’re just gonna let him turn America into this Catholic, like, wait, what? Put him on a no fly list. Oh. ‘cause the, the problems we have with the wider Nick Fores ideology are quite different than the problems that a lot of other people have.

I’ll note here because I have in the past been very confused by Nick Che’s ideology not understanding how he could be a Catholic integralist. These are people who want to put the entire world under a Catholic one, world government. And actually he’s never claimed that he is a Catholic integralist.

I couldn’t find a single AI will tell you he is till you’re blue in the face. But when you ask for a specific quote or citation, I can find nothing.

Simone Collins: Well, so do you think maybe Nick Fuentes is a Catholic integralist the same way that we are eugenics, which is to say No. No,

Malcolm Collins: not exactly. Because he’ll talk [00:05:00] about stuff like inter.

In Ingenia, like, like the intelligentsia of the integralist movement where he seems to include himself among this. So like, well I don’t know, like

Simone Collins: we mix with people who call themselves eugenicists. Yes.

Malcolm Collins: But he has never denied the term either. Nor has he ever really skewered it in the way that we have gone long into skewering eugenics.

I’m well, well,

Simone Collins: but what, what, what, what are the benefits to him for doing so? You know, no one’s accusing him of it. It’s not causing him any trouble. So why would he actively, yeah. The, and people aren’t actively accusing him of it. I mean, people actively accuse us of eugenics, therefore we publicly deny.

‘cause we’re like, that’s not true. No. People accuse

Malcolm Collins: him of this all the time, and I, and they accuse him of it. Of on both the right and the left. Like there are mainstream right wing sources that are sympathetic to him that call his position Catholic nationalism. Oh, so they’re left wings, he

Simone Collins: would be prompted to Correct.

If he would be very prompted

Malcolm Collins: to call them out. Okay. The, the real answer is, is while it’s not his actual [00:06:00] intellectual position, he identifies with it enough that he doesn’t mind being called it. Mm-hmm. His actual position could be better defined as Catholic n Okay. Let’s see. White Catholic nationalism would be the, the actual position an American first White Catholic nationalism.

Oh, okay. And this is, and, and, and the Catholic is the largest and loudest word within this, this,

Simone Collins: like I said, the tone in America, but Vatican City doesn’t run everything.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, he hasn’t thought through that far. Oh. So we’re not getting to that yet. Okay. So he’s a Catholic American nationalist. Okay.

Now, and he sees these two identities as completely obvious, right? That if you’re a good Christian American, you’re going to be a Catholic American nationalist. The problem is, is that this perspective appears incredibly stupid. If you have any knowledge of American history, America [00:07:00] was essentially founded to be an.

anti-Catholic state, if you don’t believe me, and I’m gonna quote here from an article how Anti Catholicism helped fuel the AM American Revolution. We’re gonna go into the words of a Catholic cardinal. Okay? So this is not an anti-Catholic person saying that this was the reason America was founded. Okay?

In 1912, the English Cardinal Garca flatly declared that quote, the American Revolution was not a movement for civil or religious liberty. Its principle cause was the bigoted rage of the American Puritan and Presbyterian ministers at the concessions of full religious liberty and equality to Catholics of French Canada.

In quote, what? The American Revolution, the American Rev. Were you not taught this in school? I am shocked the number of people who don’t know this. You were not taught that the American Revolution was in large part an anti-Catholic revolution. I mean,

Simone Collins: you know, we hear more about like taxation without representation and the [00:08:00] stamp act and you know.

People not liking the British government.

Malcolm Collins: And I think that the school system has done a very good job of scrubbing this from history because doesn’t

Simone Collins: Well, why would they, the, the British, the, sorry, the, the American school system isn’t exactly like, I mean, we didn’t go to Catholic school. I could get like, maybe if Catholic School wanted to kind of like,

Malcolm Collins: I, I, I think the reason is if you’re wondering why this has largely been covered up.

Is American schools see the oppressed class or the class that was being rebelled against as intrinsically the good guys. Right. And so it wants to uplift the oppressed class or the class being rebelled against. Now in this case, the Catholics weren’t really an oppressed class, but we’ll get to that in a second.

Speaker 5: Okay. Well,

Malcolm Collins: they kind of were, because they were regularly arrested in the 13 colonies for being Catholic, which we’ll also get to. Okay. But it was only legal in two of the 13 colonies, by the way, to Catholicism as a religion to vote as a Catholic or run for office of the Catholic. You weren’t, you weren’t allowed to.[00:09:00]

Now, hold on. You might be thinking I am overstating. Oh, sorry. There’s the point. I was thinking can’t. No, they were just

Simone Collins: like, I thought it was more like you have to have these basic requirements set, but not that things precluded you from being able to vote like you could vote as long as you had property and were a man

Malcolm Collins: simonon.

You, you, again, the American school system has betrayed you. The American school system has lied to you. Mm-hmm.

To put that number in context for you. Free blacks could vote in 10 of the 13 colonies, and Jews could vote in four of the 13 colonies. So in terms of the groups that our founding fathers were afraid of having influence in America, blacks, they were broadly okay whiz. Jews, they were slightly trepidatious about, and Catholics, they were terrified of.

Malcolm Collins: The American school system did this because it didn’t want to have people remember that Catholics could be considered a discriminated group because then they might be able to demand concessions.

‘cause you were

Simone Collins: taught about how Catholics were discriminated [00:10:00] against, especially with the big wave of Irish immigration. That happened much later.

Malcolm Collins: Right. But the reason why we talk about the discrimination of the Irish wave is because it was. Significantly less reactionary than it being the motive for America to become an independent nation.

And if you wanna go into our founding fathers, what did they think? Right, of Catholics because you, oh, you can’t, they couldn’t have really been that anti-Catholic. John Adams this is a quote from him in a letter to Thomas Jefferson. Can a free government possibly exist with the Roman Catholic religion?

Another quote from John Adams, second President I do not like the late resurrection of the Jesuits. If ever any congregation of men could merit eternal perdition on earth in hell, it is the company of Loyola. Wow. What did he, what did they

Simone Collins: ever do to John

Malcolm Collins: Adams? Hold on. It wasn’t one guy. They, we’ll get to why the American founders were so [00:11:00] scared of Catholics immigrating into America in a second.

Okay? Yes, please. Let’s go to Samuel Adams. You, I’ve heard of Samuel Adams, signer of the Declaration. Revolutionary leader, of

Simone Collins: course, queer brand.

Malcolm Collins: I did verily believe that popery was a religion destructive to all others. In quote letter to John Scully quote, much more is to be dreaded from the gross of popery in America than from the Stamp Act or any other act destructive of civil rights.

In quote, Boston Gazette 1768. So he said they also cared about the stamp Act. Okay? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Also, what didn’t say Come on,

Speaker 3: did England was, what did he say? Search.

Malcolm Collins: Listen, listen to his words. Okay? He cared about the stamp act, but what he said here was. Much more is to be dreaded from the gross of RI in America than from any of these other acts that you were taught about.

So just let me,

Simone Collins: let me be clear about this. They were uncomfortable with the fact that [00:12:00] the British government, which itself is independent from the Catholic church, simply allowed for religious freedom, including that of Catholics

Malcolm Collins: in Canada

Simone Collins: Yes. In Canada, yes. Which it also govern

Malcolm Collins: specifically. One of the things that led to this, and we’ll get to it in a bit was the legalization of Catholicism as a religion and giving them equal rights to other people.

Mm-hmm. The, the, the, the, the literally, I kid you not. The founding fathers would be more terrified that there have been a Catholic president than a black president? Um, No, because yeah, they probably, they saw black people and slavery as like often lists like more complicated institution that needed to eventually be addressed.

They saw Catholicism as antithetical to everything that they viewed, they

Simone Collins: probably would’ve seen like a black presidency as being inevitable given the number of, of men who have kids with. Black women. Black women in even the early American days. So yeah, they’d be like, well, of course, I mean, we’re producing a [00:13:00] lot

Malcolm Collins: of Americans.

Another one here, Samuel Adams, told a group of Mohawk Indians that the law, referring to the Quebec law

Speaker 3: mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: To establish the religion of the Pope in Canada would mean that, quote, some of your children may be induced instead of worshiping the, the only true God to pay his dues to images made with their own

Speaker 5: hands.

Malcolm Collins: End quote. Okay. Now people are like, well, you know, I, I’m, I’m a Thomas Jefferson guy myself, so even if these other guys hold on. Okay. History, I believe furnishes, no example of a priest ridden people maintaining a free civil government. And then in another quote from him, in every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.

They have perverted, the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon. And now note here, a lot of like atheists have taken these to try to mean, like he was talking about all religion. But if you look at the second quote here, it’s very clear that he’s using priests as euphemism for the [00:14:00] Catholic priesthood.

Because he’s talking about it being perverted into mystery and jargon. And then he says, the purest religion ever inciting that the religion is accurate, it’s Catholicism, which is corrupted it, right? Mm-hmm. And

What I find really interesting about Nick Fuentes positions is that they were so accurately predicted by the founding fathers. The founding father said, this is why Catholicism , is going to have some trouble integrating with an American identity because it will lead people to want a more autocratic state.

To want to restrict the freedoms of the citizens, which are both things that Nick Foes desires, but through desiring them, what he shows is there is nothing American nationalist about his position. It is a, position that is in many ways antithetical to any form of American identity that we had was in our history.

And this is why’s. So important to bring this up. He’s trying to reflect like, let’s go back to , a better [00:15:00] pure America, , when the America of history would’ve seen itself as being able to purify and being able to have freedom and liberty. Specifically because of the absence of people with Nick Fuentes cultural background.

, And they would say to him, why don’t you go move to a country? Because there are many Catholic majority countries that aligns with your values. And I’m, I’m noting here not all Catholics have these values, but there is a reason why these values in the eyes of the American founding fathers and in the eyes of Catholics like Nick Fuentes, , are, .

Correlated specifically Catholicism and autocracy, and a restriction of individual freedoms.

And where I might even agree with Nick Fuentes is that if America was a Catholic state, , because when I look at Catholic democracies, they don’t seem to work very well. They have really high amounts of corruption. They have really high amounts of poverty compared to Protestant democracies. , I have to say maybe Catholicism [00:16:00] actually isn’t compatible with democracy in the way that many people assumed it was.

, And maybe. Other forms of government should be experimented with within Catholic majority populations. The problem , is that is both not America and antithetical to America’s founding principles and the principles America has had since its foundation.

And note here, I don’t mean that the way a progressive means it when they say it. When a progressive means, well, it’s against, America was founded to be a country of diverse individuals and a country where anyone could come. And I’m like, no, no, no, no. America was founded was the understanding that if you got too diverse of a cultural perspective with the country, people. From cultural backgrounds and from environmental backgrounds that are more prone to autocratic, , structures are more prone to wanting to restrict individual freedoms would begin to implement those policies within this country.

I’m coming at it from a literally the antithetical [00:17:00] perspective, saying America was founded to be an exclusive and not an inclusive society, and the type of person it was founded to exclude most is individuals like Nick Fuentes.

But what’s cool about this is as we go through what our founding fathers thought of Catholics and Catholics who might believe they have a mandate to impose their religious rules and structure on other people through the, , legal system of the state, we can see what they would have thought of.

Muslims, for example, in immigrating into the country who believed A, they had a theological motivation to implement Sharia law within any location or really any non Protestant religious group, which is of course offensive. And in a weird way, an alignment with Nick Fuentes ideology. It’s just that he tries to rewrite it as a Christian country founded to keep out non-Christian values when it was really more of an [00:18:00] anti-Catholic country founded to keep out high church values.

And note here, this is not me like being an anti-Catholic or something like that. This is me stating historical facts IE, the motivation of various founding fathers combined with a literal cardinal saying, yes, these are accurate historical facts.

And I would note here if you want to be like, well, this was only way back when America was founded. That certainly wasn’t a property or belief that carried through American history. I’d point out to you that if you go to just like the 1940s and you’re looking at what the KKK was up to, or I think they also had , a flare up in the 1960s.

, Their core enemies were, , Catholics, blacks, and Jews often in that order. , If Nick Fuentes wants to bring back it being okay to be racist and antisemitic, then the third and integral part of that sort of roundup of okayness is having an anti-Catholic sentiment being racist and anti-Semitic in the [00:19:00] US always went hand in hand with being anti-Catholic.

He’s ro, ping it here, basically saying we need to normalize kicking out all the un-American minorities, not realizing he is one of the un-American minorities.

Nick Fuentes might not have realized the can that he just popped open.

Speaker 10: Once your pop, the fun don’t come.

Nick Fuentes: people don’t know that this is the other stuff he’s saying on his own platform. Wrote a clip. Hey, I’m a stone cold, white nationalist, and I love Hitler, and I don’t want Indians here, and I’m not a Democrat, okay?

Speaker 13: And I’m not woken, I’m not liberal. All right. And let me, let me preface it too. ‘cause I don’t want nobody saying, Brandon, you took that context. I watched the entire video. He goes on the, that.

It’s like nobody warned him that if you normalize the dishes, [00:20:00] Jews, and blacks, the next dish on the menu is Catholics. He’s up next.

Looks like meats back on our menu, boy.

Malcolm Collins: Then you might be like, okay, okay, okay. Alexander Hamilton. And so here I’m, I’m reading again from a, a, a piece on this Alexander Hamilton Decried, the Quebec Act as a diabolical threat quote, does not your blood run cold?

To think of the English Parliament should pass an act for the establishment of arbitrary power and popery in such an extensive country. Your loves your property, your religion are all at stake. And this gets me because you will often see Nick Fuentes within the interview that he did and within stuff is he will say, America was founded as a Christian country, and there was a little slight of hand and be like, and Catholicism is the only real form of Christianity, therefore America was founded as a Catholic country.

Mm. And this I think is something he’s doing because he expects his audience to not have [00:21:00] education on the actual motivations behind the founding of America. And I will note, I I, he may be ignorant of it himself. Yeah, he, he may be ignorant of it himself. And note here, I’m not saying that Catholicism was the only reason.

I’m just saying that there is a cardinal who says it was a bigger reason than taxation without representation. And I think most people who take an honest look at history would be like, it was probably at least equal into some of the founding fathers a bigger issue.

Speaker 5: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And we need to get to why it was a bigger issue.

But here now you might be saying like it Wait, wait, wait, wait. Surely there were Catholics living in America at the time of the revolution. Surely, and the answer is not really. There was 1.6% of the population might have been Catholic, and you’re like, what about Maryland, the Catholic colony? And it’s like actually Maryland had periods where it arrested people for being Catholic, which we will go over.

And only 15% of the population of Maryland was Catholic, despite [00:22:00] being originally. Founded as a Catholic safe haven. So to go on here. Yeah. Only three of the 13 colonies allowed Catholics to vote all New England colonies except Rhode Island and the Carolinas prohibited Catholics from holding office Virginia would’ve have priests arrested for entering the colony.

Catholic schools were banned in all states except Pennsylvania.

America was basically founded where people from all over the world came together and agreed on one thing. We really don’t wanna live in a country with Catholics.

Speaker 6: Won’t it be nice to get to America where we don’t have to worry about

Catholics.

Speaker 6: anymore? There are no

Catholics.

Speaker 6: in America. But back home in mother Russia, uh, but,

Speaker 2: but there are no

Catholics.

Speaker 2: in America and the streets aren with cheese. There are no

Catholics.

Speaker 2: in America.[00:23:00]

Speaker 7: You think things were bad in Russia? You should see things in my country. Ha.

Malcolm Collins: During the lead up to the revolution, rebels seeking to stoke hatred of Great Britain routinely equated the practices of the Church of England was out of the Catholic Church in the late 1760s and 1770s colonists celebrated anti Pope days, an anti-Catholic festival derived from English guy Fox Day, named after a Catholic, who attempted to assassinate King James.

I first quote orations cartoons and public hangings of effigies depicted royal ministers as in league whiz alternately with the pope and the devil. Writes historian Ruth Block. So again, the point I’m making here is if anyone tells you America was founded as a Christian country and they’re including Catholics in that mix, they are lying to you or do not understand American history or the seed of American [00:24:00] identity.

Now this is not to say that you cannot be a full American and a Catholic. Today. America has changed what it means to be American. You know, we used to have slavery back then and everything. But I think I also

Simone Collins: feel like Catholicism is quite different today. And we’ve talked about this in other episodes where some of the leading Catholic figures are not like Nick Fuentes ‘cause he was raised Catholic, but instead are converts into the religion.

And also they’re just, I don’t know, they’re, they’re much more pluralistic and I don’t think they are practicing a domineering version of Catholicism than what everyone needs to divorced. We’ll, your

Malcolm Collins: thoughts on this in a second. I agree with some of what you say. I don’t agree with some of what you say.

But let’s continue as the history lesson. Okay? Okay. Yes. Because it’s clear that you were never taught this stuff. No, I really wasn’t. And, and for me, I always just like when I, when I heard this stuff in the past and it really confused me sort of Catholic American nationalism, like when I heard this, I was like, surely there must be caveats to this.

Yeah. They don’t actually think America was founded as a [00:25:00] Catholic country, do they? And I think going into this can help be like, this is an identity you can have, you can be a Catholic American nationalist, but there are things that you have to grapple with to adopt this identity. And you know, if, if you really want to be a Catholic nationalist, you might be better off immigrating to a Catholic majority country, which there are lots of, and, and we’ll talk about why the founding fathers, because the founding fathers were not afraid of Catholicism for no reason. There actually are some theological reasons for this Really? Okay. That make, even in moderate Catholics, it, it, it can cause some co conflict with American core values that I think even today, everyone would argue our American core values.

Hmm. Even, even Nick Fuentes would argue our American core values. Hmm. He just hasn’t thought through where Catholic theology might have a problem with these values. I mean, he literally probably has, this is the thing that I don’t get. He, he, through the entire interview, he’s talking about how like Jews are loyal to like a separate state that is like [00:26:00] antagonistic to us.

And I’m like, Nick, like on every issue that you say is important to like America, like the immigration campaign that we’re doing and stuff like that, the, the, the Vatican has spoken against it, right? Like this is an organization that is actively opposed to most, they even did. I think the whole of the most interesting

Simone Collins: points Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Announcement that we’ll get to that seemed directly targeted at Nick Fuentes basically saying, stop doing this stuff. So it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, I think his form of Catholicism works because he is not a, he doesn’t actually care. And this is true of a lot of our fans. And I think a lot of the, the American Catholic nationalists, they don’t actually care about the Pope.

They don’t actually care about service to the Central Vatican bureaucracy, but unfortunately that kind of makes them. Protestants who are calling themselves Catholics which they’re like, well call ourselves Catholics until the church works itself out again, but we’ll talk about this in a second. Okay?

Speaker 4: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: I’m going back to reading from an article here. It was, when I mentioned earlier, [00:27:00] Roger Sherman and other members of the Continental Congress wanted to prohibit Catholics from serving in the continental Army. In 1774, parliament passed the Quebec Act, taking the enlightened position that the Catholic Church could remain the official Church of Quebec.

This appalled and terrified many colonists who assumed this to be a British attempt to subjugate them religiously. And by allowing the Los and Catholics to expand into the colonies, colonial newspapers railed against the poppish threat. The Pennsylvania Gazette said the legislation would now allow quote these dogs of hell in quote, to quote, erect their heads and triumph within our borders.

In quote goodness gracious, quite a bit stronger than Nick Fuentes words on immigration today will be. The Boston Evening Post reported that the step was quote for the execution of this hellish plan in quote, God to organize 4,000 Canadian Catholics for an attack on America and Rhode Island. Every [00:28:00] single issue of the Newport Mercury from October 2nd, 1774 to March 20th, 1775 contained quote, at least one insidious reference to the Catholic religion of the Canadians in quote, oh my God.

According to the historian Charles Metsker, they couldn’t write a single paper. This is like mainstream. You’re getting Fox News of this era. Literally every newscast is starting with a toast. Catholics sir, but what I mean is if you weren’t taught this right, you are unaware of how important this was to the mindset of the American Revolutionary and of the founding fathers of this country.

And this, this becomes important. We haven’t gotten to like where this matter is with all of his Jew stuff, but it will actually be very germane in just a second. Okay? Okay. In New York, a group marched to the financial exchange carrying a huge flag inscribed George, third Rex and the [00:29:00] Liberties of America, no popery.

Later that day, a pamphlet that had been distributed urging tolerance towards the Catholics of Canada was smeared with tar in feathers and nailed to the Pilly. So let’s go into a bit of the history of what it was like to be eight. Catholic in the American colonies, right? Like, surely these were places of religious freedom.

Maryland founded as a Catholic refugee camp, right? You know what, what, what is this? This, the Catholic colony, they always say that to make you think that. It was like, well, you know, in Massachusetts they might have been anti-Catholic, but in Maryland is where the Catholics were. And you know, yeah, there was like

Simone Collins: a place for everyone in the United States.

There was a place for Quakers, there was a place for Catholics, there was a place for Protestants, there was a place for Protestants, got kicked out by other Protestants, et cetera.

Malcolm Collins: Actually, what happened was there was a Puritan revolt between 1644 and 1646, after which Catholics were stripped of all rights or sorry, of a number of rights.

In 1689, Protestant Association’s [00:30:00] Revolution Catholic governor and officials were arrested. Public Catholic worship was banned until 1776. Oh, so in the Catholic state. Public Catholic worship would get you arrested. Gosh. Okay. Just making like, I wanna be clear about the scale here. People Massachusetts Bay and New England, 1647, Massachusetts banned Jesuit priests, violators faced imprisonment, whipping or banishment.

1650s, two Catholic traitors in Boston were briefly jailed and expelled for possessing rosaries and statues. They were jailed not for. Praying not for anything else, for possessing rosaries and statues of Christ. Oh, the nerve. Or it might have been Mary. Well that’s idolatry. It’s, yeah. I root out, I think we, we need to go back to these laws.

We have been turned off on idolatry. I’m joking. Of course. I don’t think that we should arrest everyone who practices [00:31:00] idolatry. Um, I’m joking again. Of course they don’t see it as idolatry.

So when Proto America did have laws on the book about restricting, , religious freedoms and stuff like that, based on their interpretation of the Bible, , and Nick is like, well, we need to go back to that. These were laws that would get you arrested for having a rosary or.

Having, , iconography of Christ, right? , These were laws that were specifically meant to target individuals like Nick, he is actually protected, and Catholics are actually protected by the direction America has gone to not have these type of laws on the book anymore, to not have laws enforcing religious or ideological doctrine.

So if we actually ask the questions that Nick claims to ask, but ask them with this historical context in mind, the question we’re really asking is, should we go back to a country that arrests people [00:32:00] for having any sort of statue at, of a God, any sort of picture of a God, , in, in their car or in their house? And when I ask this question, I have to say, Hmm. I mean. Maybe crime rates would go down, maybe we would have a more stable democracy. But those are the types of questions that Nick Eth at least wants being aired. I.

I mean, you know, us, we’ve gone back to saying I think that the Cromwell laws, , have merit to them, , outlawing music and dancing and theater and, , certainly, , any iconography that would be religious in nature. , But I just don’t think that those work in a modern context, , for many. Side reasons.

However, I think the spirit of these sorts of laws is something I can get behind. It’s just not, not what Nick would want. And I can only imagine some of our followers here again, who may not have a good historical knowledge, might be like, Malcolm, Malcolm, Malcolm, come on. You and Simone aren’t even real Christians. You [00:33:00] follow some weird version of Christianity that tries to harmonize Calvinist Protestantism with the latest scientific developments and understanding.

The founding fathers had no form of Christianity like that in mind. Meanwhile, a historian who’s watching them and shares their sentiment is rapidly signaling the, . Cut the mic. Cut the mic. Uh, because if you’re aware of what the, , founding fathers actually believed, you would be aware that it.

Was exactly that, and if it had been allowed to develop, it likely would’ve developed in our direction rather than having the early Puritan communities be replaced by Catholic communities through waves of immigrants.

Malcolm Collins: But anyway new York. Okay. New York, right. The city of all types.

So, in 1700 anti priest law, Catholic priests faced life imprisonment if caught. At least one Father John Uri was executed in 1741. Now I’d note here that the reason he was executed was because he [00:34:00] played part in fighting a slave revolt. Okay.

Simone Collins: I mean, yeah,

Malcolm Collins: if you look at the historical documents, most of the panic around it was the fact that he was Catholic.

That’s not the slaves. It’s the Catholic says. Yeah, that was, that was the bigger issue. This is also true. I will put on screen here this, this image, because it was a popular image of the time period that silversmiths and engraver Paul Revere created a cartoon for the Royal American magazine called the Mitra Minute.

It depicted four contented looking Mitre Anglican bishops dancing in Minette around a copy of the Quebec Act to show the quote. Aberration incontinence of the Roman religion. End quote, standing nearby or the author of the Quebec Act with a devil with bat ears and spiky wings, hovering behind them.

Whispering instructions. And a you could see another thing here, which I think is kind of funny from a modern context. Okay. British were not even Catholic, but they were Mexican. No. Yes. Which spelled kind of like Catholic to the [00:35:00] colonists. Oh, still too, too Catholic derived. Too Catholic. Derived too many, too high church.

It wasn’t just, and this is actually like a very important point. The American colonies were not specifically anti-Catholic. They were anti high. Church America was founded as a state. As an anti high church state, all high church religions that now reside within America, whether it’s Anglicanism or Catholicism or anything like that would’ve mortified many of the founding fathers.

And do require some like degree, if you come from one of these traditions of, of understanding how you reckon with the motive for the Foundation of America. And America’s evolution. Just as you know, I think a, a black person should not an an, you know, you need to take into account like America did have slavery.

Like this was a bad thing that we did. This wasn’t just like [00:36:00] with Catholics. It wasn’t just like the Irish thing, right? It wasn’t just anti-air, it wasn’t just anti Italian. It goes to the very genesis of the country. And I’ll put another political ad here, which is a romanism, and it’s like all of the tendrils, corruption, ignorance, tyranny, superstition.

Wow. Romanism is a monster with arms of satanic power and strength, romanism crushing to the very ends of the earth, the arm of superstition crushing the American child that have subversion crushing the American flag. So I’m not gonna go through the whole good. This is gracious.

Simone Collins: This is just, I, I mean, yeah.

No one, no one’s really sharing this, this stuff. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And so today Catholics make up about 20.8% of the US population. That’s a

Simone Collins: lot. That’s a lot.

Malcolm Collins: You can see our episode, the great replacement already happened, but it basically did, the Puritan Faction of America was essentially replaced with the Catholic faction, which had very different voting behavior and was much more [00:37:00] progressive up until recently.

Recently Catholics flipped and overall Catholics vote conservative now, but up until now, Catholics were largely a progressive voting block. And we’re sort of central to the progressive coalition keep in mind because they were kind of a minority community that had a lot of discrimination against them.

Mm-hmm. And when RFK won the, the, the nomination, everyone was freaking out ‘cause they said you’d be loyal to the church. But why the 20% is important to know is you have Nick Fuentes here, guy who comes out and says Jews are a secret cabal that controls. You know, the US government and industry mm-hmm.

Various aspects and branches of it. Right. And we’re gonna go into the receipts that he has on this. Jews do have disproportionate positions of power across both government and industry. And he says that they used nepotism to achieve this and, and secret organizations to achieve this. Here’s the problem.

Mm-hmm. The United [00:38:00] States is split into three branches of government. Okay. The, the, if, if, if you are an outsider, and you’re not familiar with this, this is to prevent one branch of government from ever gaining control. Well, what if I told you that a shadowy religion and spirit organization had taken control?

Complete control of one third of the United States government. One of these three. Let’s go into the Supreme Court justices right now. Okay. Got John J. Roberts Jr. Was he raised a Catholic? Yes. Is he still a Catholic? Yes. Clarence Thomas. Was he raised a Catholic? Yes. Is he still a Catholic? Yes. Samuel a Alito Jr.

Was he raised a Catholic? Yes. Is he still a Catholic? Yes. Remember that 20% there? That’s that. [00:39:00] The American Catholic population. Mm. Sonya Soda Moor. Was she raised a Catholic? Yes. Is she still a Catholic? Yes. Brett Kavanaugh. Raised a Catholic. Yes. Still a Catholic? Yes. Amy Coney Barrett. Raised a Catholic. Yes.

Still a Catholic? Yes. Well, um, well, hold on, hold on, hold on. Now we’re gonna get to the

Simone Collins: What about the Joos Malcolm? They’re there too.

Malcolm Collins: Four and only four non-Catholics. Okay. Amy Coney Barrett. Was she raised a Catholic? Yes. Me. She’s still a Catholic? No. Uh uh. Oh, sorry, not Kate Co. Neil Gorsuch was raised a Catholic, but now he’s an Episcopal.

Ellen Kager. Kagan is Jewish. And Tigen Brown Jackson is Protestant. Now I note here was this edition of the Protestant person onto the Supreme Court. That’s a pretty big deal because that’s the dominant religion in America. And the last Supreme Court, before she was added. It didn’t have a [00:40:00] single Protestant on it.

Simone Collins: I thought we had more people with Jewish backgrounds than the Supreme Court. It was, it

Malcolm Collins: had one extra Jew, so it was two Jews, and then everyone else was born into a Catholic family with one of them being an Episcopal.

Simone Collins: Oh, was RBG. She was Jewish or had Jewish background.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So, Ellen Kagan and Stephen g Brear were the, were the, the last one, but yeah.

But then Ruth, Ruth Ginsburg, the Supreme Court is controlled. If the Catholics decided to vote in a block, they could control the entire way our state determines, like the United States determines and interacts with laws. Right. That’s a big deal. And you could say, well, that’s just because Catholics are disproportionately in the legal profession.

It’s not as if there is a secret, oh God. There is a secret organization that explicitly put them into this position. It’s not

Simone Collins: secret. Secret. So let’s talk’s about the

Speaker 4: Federalist Society, but it’s

Simone Collins: not secret. It’s fine. [00:41:00] It’s out there, it’s doing its thing. It’s very public about what it does. Yeah. So The Federalist, yes.

Ruth Ginsburg was a

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, well, I mean, because we can see, so the, the Federalist Society is an organization that is run by Catholics. Now that they say that that’s not their motivation, but when you look at the people who they get appointed into judge positions, they are disproportionately Catholics.

And you might say, well, that’s because Catholics are disproportionately conservative, which is also not true. As I pointed out, historically, Catholics were not overwhelmingly majority. So you had a conservative organization that had a lot of Catholics within it. So let’s look at all of these Catholic people who were appointed John J.

Roberts. Was he, does he have Federalist Society ties? Yes. Former steering committee member Clarence Thomas. Yes. Longtime member Samuel Alito. Yes. Active member Sonia Sotomayor? No, the, I think the only one who wasn’t Brett Kavanaugh. Yes. 24 years frequent speaker Neil Gorsuch. Yes. Member convention speaker Amy Coney Barrett.

Yes. Affiliate. All of these Catholics who are in [00:42:00] the Supreme Court were put there by a giant invitation. I think it’s an invitation only society that does have closed towards meetings. So it’s what you would call a secret society that took control of one of our branches of government. Which matters a lot when you consider this in the context of America being founded as an anti high church country.

Right. Because it, it’s, it’s, it, it, it is. Sort of like an active and intentional displacement. Now, am I okay with this? Actually, yes. I’m totally okay with this. I’m okay with it for the same reason I’m okay with Jews favoring in group stuff. The point being is I think that we all have the right to favor our in groups and it’s important to investigate how in group favoritism is working and who is actually a better ally given your values and your long-term goals for America’s future.

But I think to just throw out there, [00:43:00] Jews have taken control of things and used invitation only to organizations to do this is a bit calling the kettle black because Jews control nothing as powerful as the Supreme Court. Just. For context here now to continuum and, and you bet your bottom effing dollar, if the Jews did control the Supreme Court, people would be freaking the F out.

And why am I okay with Catholics controlling the Supreme Court? Because Catholics largely speaking, other than Fuentes, uphold sort of their side of the right alliance, which is to say, I understand that my values are different from the values of your average right wing individual in America, and therefore I won’t impose them on people.

So we can work together in a coalition, which is something I know, I know that all of my values aren’t held by all right wing people, so I do not attempt to impose those values. I try to work where our values overlap, like, you know, restricting the, the age at which you can get an abortion, for example, right?

Like, I think that’s a good thing. We agree on that. Let’s work on that. You know, restricting government censorship, making government [00:44:00] smaller, removing government corruption, removing alphabet soup stuff, right? Yeah. Okay. Now then Nick goes into all of the money we give the Jews, which normally is about 3.8 billion in aid to Israel in a given year.

Okay. Oh, all of this enormous money we give to the Jews. Do you know how many on average we give to Catholic majority countries every year? Oh, 3.2 billion about what we give to Israel every year. But do you know? Well, but that’s

Simone Collins: spread across a bunch of capital. Hold on, hold

Malcolm Collins: on, hold on. It’s not actually, most of it’s in the Caribbean.

But, but but here’s where it gets spicy. The money that we give the Jews, the 3.8 billion, almost all of it has to be spent on American goods. Yeah. IE American weapons, American business. Right. It’s basically just coming right back to the United States. Yeah. The 3.2 billion we give to Catholic majority countries.

That stays in those countries. Really? So it’s not that, do not have to come back [00:45:00] to the United States. Oh, interesting. So at the end of the day, America is losing way more money on Catholic majority countries than we are losing on Jewish majority countries. Wow.

Simone Collins: That’s a very, you, you pose interesting questions when you, when you look at these things, I really appreciate that you do this recently.

I’ll

Malcolm Collins: note that last year we did up the Israel amount to 14.3 billion, but this is still like not a lot when you consider it against things like the amount we’re giving to Ukraine and stuff like that.

To word it another way, we have to pay 60 to $70 billion annually, uh, for many years to deal with the situation in the Ukraine with Israel. It was a one-time additional payment of 14.3 billion. I.

Malcolm Collins: And this is the thing when he is like, oh, Judi Israel is just a liability. I’m like, Israel fights their own effing wars.

They’re not a liability. Ukraine was a liability. Right. I, I’ve seen in real time what a country that the liability looks like. You know, Israel you know, ends its wars. And. Wins its wars and all it needs is a one year payment. We only increased the amount we were giving [00:46:00] them for one year, and this year the amount that we sent them was only 500 million more than normal, which just isn’t that much when you contrast it to these other numbers.

So, they’re not as much of a liability as you would pretend they are. Mm-hmm. Now I’m gonna go into the next part because I think that this is sort of the core of this and this, this gets to the point that you’re talking about with, you know, a lot of our fans who are Catholics or Nick Fuentes may not see himself as fundamentally subservient to the Vatican or as like an agent was in America trying to turn American into a vassal state of the Vatican.

Simone Collins: Or they’re just, at least where they are focused is on building strong Catholic communities in the United States. And it’s not.

Malcolm Collins: Right. And I look, we support my number one top candidate for the leader of my party in the next election cycle is a Catholic. Okay. Yeah. JD Vance.

Simone Collins: Absolutely. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I am all in on JD Vance.

But my point, so I’m not like anti-Catholic or something like that, or I, it’s not that I, but I think that there are things that we need to sort of [00:47:00] talk about as a wider movement. Okay. So Catholicism is BA religion and a governance system, one with its own country. Mind you, if you say I am Catholic only in a religious sense, but I reject the governance system, IEI reject the Pope and the Cardinals and apostolic succession.

Okay? You are in fact just like claiming to be a Catholic while definitionally not being a Catholic.

Simone Collins: I don’t know because also I. Feel like these, the, the Catholics that we know who also aren’t very Vatican oriented, who are much more grassroots oriented, represent the future of Catholicism. I

Malcolm Collins: do. I I think they, I think if you look at what’s happening in the Vatican, you look at, we have not seen a shift more conservative with this pope, which a lot of people, no, we have not.

Simone Collins: No. But I just see that as, as, as an additional level of, of divorce from this level. Look

Malcolm Collins: at, [00:48:00] remember during the revolution the, the, the, the groups that they were afraid of, the groups that they were mad about was, was two groups, the Anglicans and the Catholics. Okay. Yeah. So you might not know this, but over the past few weeks, the Anglican Church has split into two churches.

Why? I didn’t know

Simone Collins: this until you told me this morning. This is insane.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Why did it split into two churches? It split into two churches because the next version of what for them is essentially their pope is going to be a woman. And a lot of the churches didn’t like that. And the reality is, is what it looks to an outsider is happening with Catholicism is.

The actual central structure of the church is moving further and further captured by the urban monoculture. And a lot of the on the ground Catholics just sort of believe God will guide it back to where it originally was and where it needs to be in alignment with scripture. Right. And a lot of Anglicans thought that was going to happen was their religion as well.

Hmm. But the point I’m making [00:49:00] here is even if you take this position definitionally, you’re either, you know, like pseudo admitting to yourself that you’re not actually a Catholic, right? Like, that you have separated from the apostolic succession, from the Vatican, from the, the, the, the bureaucracy. Or, or you’re sort of like an ab absentia Catholic and Catholic community waiting for the Vatican to become sane again.

And this is what I would call, sort of a soft secessionist, right? Like a That’s

Simone Collins: what I think we have mostly in, in the, in the strongest Catholic communities in the United States. Yes. Yes. Like they’re leveraging the, the resources that they get from their parishes and their local bishops, and even from higher levels.

But they also are like, yeah, we’re,

Malcolm Collins: yeah, but Simone, this, this matters as I’m going to begin to lay out the rest of this. Right. Okay. ‘cause it actually really matters if you think about where the party is gonna go, where the conservative alliance goes and where cultural alliances between groups like this and groups like us you know, where, [00:50:00] where the matics and the, and because they don’t see themselves asmatic, but they’re, they really are kind of soft matics.

And I’m gonna continue here. So, i’m gonna be honest here. I think a lot of our followers who are Catholic and even Nick fall into this category. But what I mean, if you are a real Catholic and follow the logic of that theology is that the logical conclusion, and, and this is, this is very important.

So suppose you are an actual Catholic, like you follow the actual doctrine, and I don’t mean like one branch, I mean literally any mainstream branch of Catholics, they hold onto this belief. The, the goal is to one day convert everyone on earth, or not everyone, but hopefully the majority of people on earth into Catholics, make every country a Catholic majority country.

I’m sure Nick would say that is the long term goal. And then by extension, every country is subordinate to, because presumably. The Vatican sorts itself out. It shakes off all of this liberalism. It becomes the way it’s supposed to be. Again, [00:51:00] a central governing body of technocrats that has its own country and controls every other country on earth, sort of like vassal states.

Mm-hmm. Basically it’s recreating a theological version of the UN to be a Catholic integralist, which I think is a religious mandate if you actually take Catholicism at face value to say we do eventually want to convert everyone. And I do not want to change the, the papal system, right. Is to say eventually we convert everyone and then everyone is subordinate to Rome.

Well, the, the, the problem here being is one, it’s the ultimate goal globalist position. It’s sort of like the, the maximalist globalist position, which is, if you are familiar with the rest of my ideology or Simone’s ideology, you would understand why that’s so horrifying to us. And I think that some of the castles can feel like, why, why are they so, like, do they hairs go up when we’re talking about [00:52:00] Catholic stuff?

And it’s because a lot of them just ignore that this is the end goal. But if you look at Simone and I, and you look at how we view the world, we’re always thinking in terms of end goals. Like 500 years, 5,000 years, 10,000 years, a million years into the future. What, where do we want humanity to be? And so if we’re always seeing things.

A thousand years out or 500 years out or something like that. We’re going to be very aware of what is the active end goal of different groups, even if it’s not what they’re fighting for in the moment. Mm-hmm. And the theological, I’m not talking about political, the theological end goal is to essentially transform the earth into like a global theological, but operating under God.

Right. And, and that’s not an evil plan or anything like that. I can see why somebody would think that that was a good thing to do. But [00:53:00] it goes against not just our theological leanings, but our political leanings. Because I am a nationalist, I am an anti globalist. And I think that this, and, and people will note here, they’re like, well, what about other groups?

Because there’s other groups in the Conservative Alliance, and a lot of religious groups have this as their end state, right? Like Mormons eventually want to convert everyone on Earth to Mormonism. And eventually that would mean that, that all governments would be subordinate to the Mormon Central Church in Utah.

But here is where it gets a little more nuanced. It’s not the same for every religion, right? So a Mormon who wants to do that can be an American nationalist in a way that a Catholic cannot be a real American nationalist if they admit this long term of plan of Catholicism, which is to say that a, the central Church of Mormonism is in America already.

So they benefit their long-term plan benefits from [00:54:00] disproportionately benefiting America on the world stage and empowering America within the world stage. We don’t, whereas

Simone Collins: the Vatican is not exactly gonna benefit from making America rise.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. The Vatican isn’t anything and will actually go over it. It has been a long time direct enemy of American interests.

Yeah. I’ve only

Simone Collins: heard of, of, of criticisms of American policy coming from Vatican City to be fair.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. It’s not awesome. They, they, they are, they are one of America’s core sort of political, as a political axis, one of our core enemies which, which makes them very different from like Israel.

Israel will do stuff like spy on us or sell technology or something like that. But it’s always out of self-interest. It’s not in an active attempt to sabotage us for the sake of sabotaging us. It’s to advance to their own goals. Well, no, no, no. I

Simone Collins: think a better way of putting that is their [00:55:00] self-interest doesn’t involve sabotaging or knocking us down, whereas perhaps there are reasons why the Catholic Church would benefit from that.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. Everyone

Simone Collins: acts with self-interest involved.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Everyone acts with self-interest. I don’t mind that Israel occasionally acts with self-interest.

Simone Collins: It, it only acts with self-interest. Everyone only acts with self-interest.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You’re missing my point here, Simone. Israel, when Israel does something to sabotage the US’ political interest, it is because they were able to gain some benefit from that action.

The Vatican will, and we’ll go into instances of this sabotage America’s interests with no benefit to them.

Speaker 3: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: For the sake, because they, they see America as an existential enemy of theirs.

Simone Collins: Yes. The benefit to them is knocking them down if, if, if knocking, knocking us down. Yeah. Because

Malcolm Collins: we’re an enemy. But Israel doesn’t see us that way.

I’m, I’m, I’m pointing this out. This is a very big [00:56:00] difference in the relationship. There’s,

Simone Collins: yes, there’s greater alignment between the, the long-term goals of Israel and the United States than there are between the Vatican and the United States, but

Malcolm Collins: we’ll get to that in a second. But with, with, with Catholic, for example, I, I do think you could be a Catholic nationalist and like an Italian because I think that Italy’s interests are really aligned with the Vatican’s interest.

And, and you could, you know, you’re advancing Italy’s interest, you’re advancing Catholic, et cetera. Now you may ask why. Why do I so readily ally with Catholic factions within the wider, you know, sort of whether it’s the prenatal list coalition, why do I try to offer advice on how things can be fixed?

Why do I work to alert them to their own low birth rates and everything like that? There are a number of reasons. As I said, one, everything that we could win a campaign on right now I am broadly aligned with Catholics on if you tried to ban, for example, IVF in the United States, you probably would not win a presidential election, right?

And so there’s no reason [00:57:00] for them to advocate for that, right? If you tried to you know, make a super social program like I would want to, you’re not gonna win a US election, right? So we, but it’s not just that because I’m not just aligning with Catholics, I’m actively trying to make the Catholic movement more healthy when I’m like, here is social technology you can use, here’s a way you could start an order to address this.

Here’s, you know, you have low fertility rates here, here, and here. Here’s how I’d address it if I within your community, why am I trying to make someone that is existentially at ahead with my goals? You know, we believe that humans have a mandate to intergenerationally improve. And so this means that we believe in engaging with genetic science, like genetic alteration of humans engaging with brain computer interface, emerging of humans with ai, everything like that, right?

Like artificial wounds, all of this stuff that, because Catholics believe in the sanctity of the body, Catholics are actively against and would actively attempt to oppose so somebody could act, which I note here, Jews are not actively against. Like if you’re like, why do we so [00:58:00] readily align with Jews?

Whereas like Protestant Mormons eventually want everyone to be Mormons. So even if we align in the, in the short term, we’re gonna have problems in the long term, right? Also Mormons don’t oppose any of this technology, like Mormons are okay with all this, which is one of the reasons why even if Mormons became like the dominant faction in the United States, they’d still be our, you know, they wouldn’t, they wouldn’t attempt to strip us of things that we need to achieve our theological mandates.

If Jews became the dominant faction in the United States, they would not attempt to strip us of things we need to achieve our theological mandates. If Catholics did, they absolutely would. In, in most Catholic majority countries, we wouldn’t have a single child, because IVF is functionally banned. They make you do the transfers immediately.

This is in most Catholic Europe, majority countries. And it’s you know, I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t have a single kid. My line doesn’t exist. Right? So, the, the, the point I’m making here is so why do we so try to help them in readily ally with them? And the real reason is. Because they’re kind of on the back foot.

If they were doing as well as the Jews, I might have a more concern about them. But the [00:59:00] reality is, is they have desperately low fertility rates. Catholic majority countries, like one point, like one eight in like Italy, 1.51. No, it’s 1.15 in, in Spain. Good. All across America. We have rates around 1.1, 1.2.

Now Catholics are kind of going ex state in the United States. They have low fertility rates. You know, the, we’re just seeing very, very low Catholic fertility rates. Outside of one community, which is Hispanic immigrants in the United States have a relatively decent fertility rate, but it doesn’t offset the rest of the Catholic fertility rate.

And because they have such a low fertility rate and not just a low fertility rate but a low fertility rate combined with a lack of economic relevance. You know, most Catholic majority countries, and this is just a thing like when, when Nick Fuentes might say something like. I don’t want our country to become a Muslim majority country because Muslim majority countries you know, are poor and corrupt.

But the, you’re dealing with the same thing. From my perspective, I just think he lacks the, the external framing. [01:00:00] If you are not a Catholic, and you look around the world at Catholic majority countries, every single one of them is poor and corrupt with the possible alter exception of Ireland, which is in a downward spiral right now.

So,

Simone Collins: I think that primarily that it’s the tax incentives with, with large corporations, that’s been prop up, right? So kind of, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So this is why when I think about like long-term partners, right, like for my ideological framework, my religious framework, and, and we can be a movement and we can all sit down and be like, Hey, like, and even our Catholic followers, they’re not hiding this from us.

They know fo like we know and they know they don’t want us to, to have a family that grows really large and popularizes the use of germline gene editing in humans. They don’t want us to,

Simone Collins: well, I think they, honestly, I think Catholics would prefer that to polygenic risk or selection because you have fewer, I thought this as

Malcolm Collins: well.

And I was talking to a reporter [01:01:00] in Telemundo and she’s like, they absolutely would not. Oh, really? Even though ideologically they see one as, as like murder. They, they still see the second as worse because they see it as so violating of the human condition.

Speaker 5: Hmm

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And this is because the root of our individual conservative ideologies comes from two different places. Their conservative ideologies root is wanting to go back to a more traditional way of doing things, whereas our conservative root is very nichean. It is the strong should be the weak. We need to continue to become stronger.

And if there is a technology that allows us to counter the DYS genetic trends within our population. Or in some way strengthen our population relative to other populations. We have a mandate to engage with that we understand where their position comes from, and I think they understand where our position comes from, and they’re both parts of the wider conservative ideology.

Malcolm Collins: And so our Catholic fans, like none of our Catholic fans are surprised by this.

Like, this [01:02:00] isn’t me like being. I am mad at cast. Our Catholic fans are like, yeah, I don’t like that you guys do this stuff and this stuff and this stuff. Well, that’s one

Simone Collins: of the great things about our podcast is that the people who listen to this podcast are not like our ideological mirrors. They’re very different people

Malcolm Collins: and I love that.

Yeah. And I think point, think that’s why. And, and they can say, and they can be like, but honestly we are at a po, a political fulcrum point in terms of human history and we cannot risk losing an election. Like the fact that Nick Fuentes didn’t even vote in the last election cycle to me is really telling of where his heart lies.

That, you know, babies are being murdered by his standards and he couldn’t bring himself to Ally. Was the mainstream conservative party over this, over what is really pretty aesthetic differences? But we’ll get into that in a second. So I wanna go into some of the quotes from the interview that I thought were really interesting. He said, I think we are required to love our wives. I think you have to love our wives as our wives. So [01:03:00] he’s talking about the way he sees women and everything like that. And he also talked about, you know, why he doesn’t have a wife yet.

Really what I took away from this, he says he, he basically tried to say that there all women will destroy your life. All women will make you unhappy. And of course on the other side here, the what was his name? It’s not

Simone Collins: like a big portion of our audience wouldn’t agree with him.

Malcolm Collins: Tucker Carl, Tucker Carlson was like.

No. But it all women might ruin the, one of the, one of the problems was the griper movement more broadly. Mm-hmm. And Nick has talked about this and it’s one of the reasons apparently he doesn’t get a wife is because he has found that when people in the movement marry out and no, here I have no like animosity out Nick Fuentes.

He seems like a perfectly nice guy. I can be like, our goals. Our run cross-function to his goals long-term. But I think he could be a very valuable player in the conservative alliance if he would stop stabbing us in the back by telling people not to vote during critical election cycles. Like if Kamala had won, what would be happening in American media right now?

You know, what would be happening with the American legal system right now? With the [01:04:00] school system like in Gaza even, right. Like the, the so many horrible things would’ve happened. And it just seems like such a petty, but not to get to that, because I’ve already had episodes where I go off on that. If you have a movement where you have a fear of marrying because you think you will leave the movement, if you do that and you have a fear of your followers marrying because it has frequently caused them to leave the movement, then this is not a movement that is cohesive with intergenerational stability.

Right? Like, it’s not a movement that’s going to matter in 50 years because they’re not gonna reproduce. Yeah. And Nick actually is well aware of this, which I like, you know, he’s, he’s a smart guy, right? He thinks that, that if they can make enough of an Overton window shift now with like the 10 years of relevance, they might have you know, that he can move American conservatism, the, the breeders more towards his perspectives.

Can he achieve this? I think he has achieved it to a, a, a small extent, you know, through getting on the Tucker Carlson show, everything [01:05:00] like that. Airing out the things that he’s airing out, which we’ll go into a lot of the things he said about Israel. But I don’t know if he’ll achieve it. I, I don’t see it being possible long run ‘cause it’s just not a long term plan.

Mm-hmm. It’s a, it’s a short term plan that seems incompatible with procreation. If people who get married leave it, if it can’t appeal to women. Right. And he said here, I don’t know, a happy woman that’s a liberal. Then the, the, and, and Tucker Carlson was saying, I don’t know a, a happy married woman who’s not a conservative sort of pointing out that if you marry a woman and you make her happy, she’ll become conservative.

Right. Like you did. You were very progressive when I met you. Yeah. Another one here that he said that I thought was pretty rich, they have an international community across borders, extremely organized. Like no other community is like that. And I’m like, except for like the Catholics, you guys literally have the Federalist Society.

You literally took over a branch of the US government. The Jews have not achieved that, you know? But I think it’s a bit of a, it’s hard to see this stuff when you’re inside the house. Then when you’re outside the house and the [01:06:00] house is so obvious looking. Yeah. Right. And I think that this is also when people are like, well, the Jews are a group that’s different from you and has crossed interest to you.

And I’m like, so are the Catholics, right? Like we are a small group. The techno puritans, my family’s traditions, like these, these ProTech people. We are a very, the, the last descendants of Puritan logic in America. We are a very small faction, right? We need to build alliances with groups that are not us.

While being aware that these other groups will only build alliances with us if they’re self-serving. Right? This is as true for Catholics as it’s for Jews. He says Jews wanna protect Israel. He said, he said a number of times the enemy is the conservative movement, and he actively sees mainstream conservatism as a bigger enemy than Wokes and stuff like this.

And I wasn’t sure if this is just like. My prejudice of him that was leading me to believe that he was actively attempting to sabotage the United States Conservative movement Uhhuh. And he made it very clear that no, this is an active choice on his part. Which does mean that if you are a [01:07:00] member of the conservative movement in, in the United States, and this is why it’s like, don’t attack conservatives that are to the right of you.

It’s like, I agree with that. If they haven’t made the mainstream conservative movement, their active and stated enemy that’s where it gets a little different when their goal is to prevent us from winning election cycles and killing babies, right? Mm-hmm. From their perspective. Well, and from our perspective

yeah. Okay. So. I wanted to now go over like what the Vatican is actually doing, what its ideology actually is because I think that this is important to contrast with Nick’s ideology here because I think what we can see is his worldview sort of only works as long as you forget that the thing that makes Catholics different from Protestants is apostolic succession and the Vatican and the central bureaucracy.

Okay? At least some branch of the Protestantism, not every branch of Protestantism. Okay. So, plenary indulgence for world. You state eco participation 2023. Ah, attending Lisbon’s World [01:08:00] used a a Vatican event. God indulgences could earn a plenary indulgence by joining cry of the earth, an ecological initiative.

Speaker 3: What

Malcolm Collins: they, they are now giving indulgences for environmentalist work. I, you

Simone Collins: know, that makes sense actually. I mean, like, given where, how the church has evolved over time, that it has become much more progressive and that they still have indulgences that Yeah. That checks out. That would, that would be happening.

We’re

Malcolm Collins: hoping that it is no longer possible to doubt that the human anthropic origin of climate change and that this, you know, affects everyone on earth, et cetera, et cetera. Francis warns of extreme climate change at Ritz from CO twos, and they have been extremely adamant. And this is a, a big problem for Italy at bringing in refugees and extremely critical of Trump’s refugee policy.

We ourselves see the migrants and refugees do [01:09:00] not only represent a problem to be solved, but our brothers and sisters to be welcome, respected, and loved.

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: So, and they’ve pushed for personal invitations of migrants into Italy. They have called Trump’s policy a disgrace. They have attacked Trump during his first election cycle as well.

A person who thinks only about building walls wherever they may be and not building bridges, is not a Christian. Okay. And I note here a, a fun one here is ‘cause now I’m gonna go over what, what Nick would actually say and, and some quotes from Nick.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: But they’re like, Jews want to take over the world and force their no hide laws on us.

And I’m like, bro, one Jews already disproportionately outcompete other people within systems. What are no hide laws? Sorry. No hide laws. We’ve done another episode pointing out that they’re basically a scam and not real, and some modern Jews made it up. And it’s a very long video. We’re not always positive to Jewish people.

Mind you in that episode, we argue that ju the contrary

Simone Collins: to what everyone in our comments argues and,

Malcolm Collins: and Christianity is very obviously the [01:10:00] correct success or to the ancient Christian religion, which is only called Judaism. Now because of, I don’t wanna go into this in this video, but the point being is we are critical of Judaism as well.

Mm-hmm. But the funny thing is, is that the no hide laws don’t actually impose any additional restrictions on somebody who’s already a Catholic or a Christian. Literally no additional restrictions. Whereas if Catholics controlled everything, they would impose tons of additional restrictions on everyone else.

Which is again, why if you’re choosing a faction to ally ways, so, here’s a, a quote from him. F the UN and internet and Democracy. You know what democracy has given us? Obesity, low rates of literacy. It’s given us divorce, abortion, gay marriage, liberalism, pornography. That’s what democracy has given us.

Ghettos and crime and political correctness. Diversity, yeah. The track record of democracy. Not so good. Catholic autocracy. Pretty strong. Pretty strong record. Catholic monarchy. Catholic monarchy and just war and crusades and inquisition. Pretty good stuff. Mm-hmm. The thing here is I, [01:11:00] I I think actually if you look at the, the history of a lot of the Catholic monarchies, there was an extreme amount of poverty was in them.

They, they did effectively organize during specific periods, but generally speaking, I might even say it might be worse trying it again because it does appear to me that for the reasons we studied above Catholicism may be like true, like I’m gonna go balls to the wall with my Catholicism, might be incompatible with democracy.

And that might be why there’s so much corruption in Catholic majority states, right? It might be that democracy is more like of a Protestant Jewish thing. And I’m not saying this is like a attack on different groups are different, different things work for them. Right? Look at our video on Arabs.

Like Arabs almost never have democracies. And when they do, it usually ends in a horrible, corrupt disaster. So, you know, the, the, the Catholics may be the same way, right? I, I don’t know, right? We haven’t seen it tried recently. But I don’t, I don’t disagree with this, but what I would say is then why don’t you go [01:12:00] back to a Catholic majority country, right?

Like, why don’t you go back to a country where the culture of that country is your culture, right? You know, your culture is not my culture. Your culture is not the culture of America. Your culture is not the culture of America at its funding founding. It’s not the culture of America today. And there are plenty of countries on earth that have your culture, right?

Like, why, why do you need to be here? Like the very arguments that he uses against immigration, I feel about him. It is like you haven’t integrated, you haven’t assimilated, you don’t seem to understand American values. Why can’t you go to one of the countries that share your value system rather than our value system?

Right.

Simone Collins: Alright, so let me, let me. Take a, take a crack here though. Okay. You know, as, as someone who, like, I, I don’t know what it was about the Nick Fan girl deep dive, right? But like, now I’m quite fond, and not that I wasn’t, [01:13:00] not fond of him before, I was just completely ignorant, but like, I’m like, oh, Nick Quintes, like there’s a fondness there that wasn’t there before.

On top of that, some of our favorite people in in the world are Catholic. I mean, oh, Catherine Ruth Kolic is she’s Catholic. Roger CNO of Heritage, heritage is Catholic. A bunch of other people that we, we know that we’re not gonna name for their privacy are Catholic. And they, they represent to me in, in my view, a sort of new guard of Ca Catholicism.

And, and yes, you, we’ve already kind of aired this a little bit earlier in the episode, but I, I kind of, and like, you know what, I’m, I’m all for a sort of revisionist history Catholicism. That is, that is America First and American Nationalist Catholicism, that is kind of like, Hey, we’re playing the long game.

We’re gonna inherit the future of the Catholic Church. A lot of the people who are follow, who follow this podcast who are also Catholic [01:14:00] regularly send to us episode ideas on, on a corruption within the Catholic Church of like, here are these people who’ve been trying to push it to a progressive end.

Here’s this corruption, here’s this thing. They’re, they’re actively critical of the Vatican. They’re anything but blindly loyal to the Vatican. And I, I take a lot of comfort personally in knowing that on a grassroots level, they’re building something that I think. Honestly, on a community level is more organized and working better than the vast majority of technophilic religions.

I would say maybe even more so than Orthodox Jews in the United States, because while Orthodox Jews have really strong local communities, they’re also a little bit more technophobic in some circles. Like they seem a little bit too insular and not that integrated with the wider world.

Malcolm Collins: I, I agree with all this, but as I laid out, basically what these groups are doing is they’re moving into a soft schematic position while they hope the Vatican gets its butt together.

Well,

Simone Collins: I, but I think you don’t have to hope for the V Vatican to get its act [01:15:00] together. I think you just have to wait it out.

Malcolm Collins: That’s what the Anglicans did, and now they’ve got a lady Pope.

Simone Collins: Right. But that’s, I think that’s on the tail end. I mean, look at where the UK is in general right now. Look at where Italy is in general.

Yeah, but like, no, what I’m saying is the UK hasn’t got its act together. The UK isn’t enjoying. The dividends of a, a, a long-term demographic shift that would, that is, that would be downstream of what I expect from the Catholic community. What the, what the UK now has is, you know, similarly reflected in, in, its, its current status with, with immigration and policy and censorship.

And we had that episode on how basically the UK is, is, is being occupied by a hostile anti British force now. And it’s sort of this form of like, woke that’s really creepy. So of course I would expect the Anglican Church to be like this. What, what I’m looking at is the long game of what Catholicism in the United States is now, which is something that we would probably be pretty happy with and, and think is, is positive.

So I I [01:16:00] don’t think that, that’s a good question. Yeah, no, I, I

Malcolm Collins: agree with all of that and that’s why we ally wisdom so readily and frequently. But I also think it’s important for groups to not be sitting there in each thinking to themselves, well, I know. 200 or 300 years, either we’re going to have to convert you or there’s gonna be trouble.

Right. Like, and, and I think that it’s, it’s more honest as a movement if we share that. I am aware that our long-term plans and your long-term plans are theologically incompatible, and then you can talk about how do you make that work. For example, the, the techno puritans and the, the other groups like us could just leave Earth, right?

Mm-hmm. You know, I don’t, I don’t need to, I don’t have any special attachment to this planet. Catholics do. They can convert all the humans on earth and feel great about themselves. Right. I, I, there are ways that we can, by having the conversation and admitting that on paper it looks like one day we will be [01:17:00] directly at.

In conflict with each other that, that it’s important to, to air and bring that up. Even if right now their communities and our communities, like, I feel much more comfortable with our kids socializing within their communities than within the urban monoculture. So, so like clearly I don’t have, I, I see them as cultural allies in the moment and I think that that some people can think it’s cool to dunk on a group just ‘cause they know that they’re gonna be cultural enemies in the future.

And what I’m trying to do here is not do that. Say, look, we are like, even when I read Nick’s whole thing about democracy not working and Catholic monarchy, I was like, yeah. Like that’s a decent point. Right. And I’m gonna split this episode into two episodes actually. The second one is gonna be when we go over Jews versus Catholics Who Sideways.

Because that’ll be a fun one. And that one, that’s where we can go over all of his questions about Judaism and like, is, is Judaism a problem in, in the amount of ties Israel has in the, the United States? Because it is a, it is a lot. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 5: You know, there are

Malcolm Collins: concessions for that [01:18:00] relationship.

But I’d also note here, Simone, that it’s important to remember that like just how boned Catholicism looks like it’s going to be like even these factions of Catholicism, if you look at current rates of sperm decline, I think it’s by 2045, 50% of men in the developed world are gonna be infertile. And this number is gonna keep going on.

Right? Like, it’s, it’s, if you do not use reproductive technology which meaning ca the, the mainstream position in Catholicism is do not use it. You’re going to really struggle to keep those numbers up and they’re already struggling. Like, I, I hear what you’re saying. Right. But

Simone Collins: I also, I mean, there, there is something, some, something to be said for the fact that, that an anti IVF policy could change and.

Right. Like we will change in the future, but what we’re, it’s not set in stone. And one of the nice things about the Catholic Church is leadership is able to change things like this is

Malcolm Collins: in timelines for the Catholic Church survives and, and the good ones don’t go. Matic is a, [01:19:00] a future in which the church severely changes.

And, and it

Simone Collins: is completely capable of doing that.

The problem here being is that the ones who are having the most kids want it to change the least.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Okay. So Nick Es has talked about a, a wanting a Catholic government. He’s talked to about America is a Christian nation, not a Judeo-Christian nation. This was one of the expos, which I absolutely love in the light of the Catholic history of America.

He said, once you are with the Catholic or you’re with the Jews which you know, we will get to, I, I, I can see that the Supreme leader, totalitarian Christian dictator. He has liked the idea of banning a bunch of stuff replacing our current country with a Catholic Taliban. And you can see why when we hear these sorts of things you mean mean a Catholic

Simone Collins: caliphate,

Malcolm Collins: basically a, a Catholic, I think he said Taliban actually, but he, he actually said Taliban.

Simone Collins: Oh my God.

Malcolm Collins: So, so, and he, and he complains a lot about, like, I’ve tried to figure out what his long-term vision of, like, does he understand that the [01:20:00] consequence of his worldview is everybody being under a Catholic. Superstate out of the Vatican. Sort of a, a global technocracy and he’s doesn’t seem to grapple with that.

He seems to stop at let’s remove Jewish influence, let’s increase Catholic influence.

Simone Collins: Yeah, and I mean that’s why it would be so fun to have him on the podcast and talk about these things. ‘cause when I wanna confirm if that’s actually his stance. But two, you know, as we’ve seen just in, in so much empirical data, when you try from a top down level to enforce these policies, and you can look at anything from Aria BA’s research, which is more weak correlations to like places such as Iran where people are just actively fighting back against the morality, police and stuff.

It, it doesn’t work that this needs to come from within. This has to come from devout commitment to your religious values, not because the morality police are gonna come and arrest you if you are acting against religious tenants. So. Yeah, I, I, I mean, I if only, [01:21:00] if only we could talk with him. And I know that he, he, we, in an earlier time would’ve talked with this, but he’s, he’s really trending now.

And I also think that’s just on his own. He’s quite own really interesting. I feel like he started to trend first when Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson kind of lambasted him in their own one-on-one chat. But he, he keeps trending up in the media. He keeps making the front page of Drudge, and there’s something going on there.

I don’t know if it’s that, it, it just, his rise. Orchestrated rise fits into a certain narrative that people really want. I

Malcolm Collins: think it’s progressives are using him to attack the conservative movement. He does seem

Simone Collins: like a cudgel and like he’s being Yeah, that, that there are people uninvolved with him that are trying to put him into place and like insert him into narratives.

Like recall that. No. So this is what happened. Scrapers were accused of, of, of being responsible for the Charlie Kirk [01:22:00] assassination. Yeah. So you, you’ve gotta be aware of

Malcolm Collins: the larger political play here. Okay. Okay. The conservatives have done a very good job of allying with the Jews. Right. And it’s useful to ally with the Jews.

There’s a lot of reasons why Ally was the Jews. In terms of all over the world, they have disproportionate positions of power within governments, within country and within business. If they think that the US’ success is going to benefit them in, whether it’s Israel or Judaism, moreover they have a vested interest in the US’ success.

Mm-hmm. So there is a, a, this idea of there’s no reason to side with the Jews.

And I wanna be clear here. It’s not that I quote unquote, trust the Jews or Israel, it’s that I trust the Jews in Israel to act in their best interest. The thing is, is I can find a path where that best interest correlates with my best interest. I find it harder to find a path where the Vatican’s best interest correlates with my best interest, at least when I look at , what the Vatican is putting out [01:23:00] right now in terms of public statements.

Malcolm Collins: And the great thing is progressives always turn against the Jews because progressives believe that all differences between groups and communities can’t be downstream of genetics, can’t be downstream of culture. They must be downstream of, of what?

Systemic unfairness, right? And so if Jews are in positions of power, Jews must have cheated, right? Mm-hmm. This is why, why they, the whole Black Lives Matter thing, everything like that. And so they turned against Jews and the right has been able to absorb the Jewish movement to a large extent in the United States, which is very important.

And we’ve been able to cut off a lot of donations that were going to left-wing causes and stuff like that from Jews. And the left desperately needs to try to convince American Jews and the American public that there are still right wing antisemites out there. And about the only one left is Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens.

Simone Collins: But again, all that, yeah, we just have Ben, Ben Shapiro to blame for all that. Yes, it’s really wild. Ben Shapiro minting

Malcolm Collins: Antisemites

Simone Collins: because they were fine before. They were fine with

Malcolm Collins: Jews. Okay, so we’re [01:24:00] gonna cut off here, and the next episode we’re gonna go into Nick’s accusations about Israel which are mostly accurate by the way.

And why? Despite them being accurate, they are generally less inflammatory than if it was the Vatican. Ooh. Like, like almost any complaint he has about Israel, the Vatican has done worse. And this is where it gets to this thing of like, we, it’s like it’s either Catholics or the Jews. Somebody who isn’t actively a Catholic you know, your, your answer’s gonna be pretty obvious and there’s a reason why for the Conservative party, they have tried to ally with the Jews.

Speaker 3: Hmm. All right.

Malcolm Collins: So next episode. Beginning.

Malcolm Collins: When I run out lemonade, we should be storing them all somewhere. Are we keeping them all in one place?

Simone Collins: Yeah. They’re all in a basket with other toys.

Malcolm Collins: Okay, good, Don, because I, I’ll whip those out this weekend. Along with the bouncy things.

Simone Collins: There will be, there will be battles.

Malcolm Collins: That’s the [01:25:00] point of children, right?

If, if you’re not going to battle them. I, I watched enough shows of the kids to know that when you have little things in your house, you have to battle them. And so I battle my children.

Simone Collins: Yeah. This is necessary. And that is probably

Malcolm Collins: why we had CPS coming over to our house again. Once again, not for battling.

‘cause my kid made finger guns at someone at school.

Simone Collins: Yeah. So they had to make sure all of our actual guns were locked up because clearly that’s his next step. You know, finger guns are just the gateway to gun guns. Although, I mean, keep in mind there’s this very prominent lawsuit that I think either is about to be decided or.

It’s finally going into court, which is about that first grader who shot his teacher and octavia’s a first grader. So, I think you know,

Malcolm Collins: yeah, right.

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