Outro

What does it really mean to grow in holiness — and is there a clear, time-tested path for doing so as a Catholic today?

In this episode of A Reason for Hope, Jack Garno sits down with Director of Theology Dr. David Hajduk for a deep dive into the Three Ways of the Spiritual Life — an ancient Catholic framework taught by the saints that explains how souls actually grow in holiness. Drawing from Scripture, St. Thomas Aquinas, and centuries of Catholic spiritual theology, this conversation explores what conversion really requires, why humility is essential, and how grace transforms us over time.

Dr. Hajduk explains the Purgative Way, Illuminative Way, and Unitive Way, showing how each stage builds upon a deeper conversion of heart. The discussion covers the role of confession, prayer, fasting, almsgiving, and mental prayer, as well as the difficult but necessary experiences known as the dark nights of the soul — moments when God seems absent but is actually drawing the soul closer.

This episode offers both clarity and hope for Catholics seeking real spiritual growth in 2026, reminding us that holiness is not reserved for a few saints, but is the universal call of every Christian — made possible by grace and our cooperation with it.

Whether you feel stuck, discouraged, or simply hungry for deeper union with God, this conversation provides a faithful roadmap for the journey.

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⏰Timecode⏰

00:00 Introduction

01:08 Start of Interview

01:54 Are there certain steps to take to become more Holy?

04:59 Importance of the Crucifix

06:33 What is the goal of our lives?

09:06 How to Become Friends with God

11:41 3 Ways to Grow in Holiness

13:28 The Purgative Way

21:01 The Illuminative Way

27:12 the Unitive Way

36:04 How do we approach setbacks?

39:34 End of Interview