"I don't know of an ethical way to stop ESG because if you get into the ethical argument," he says. "Every presidential candidate persuades dishonestly, all of them ... It's never been done... But we're okay with that? Everybody who votes votes for somebody they know lied." The only people who are going to buy the argument that ESG is bad for the economy are people who have a background in that stuff and they're already on that side,. Unless it's somebody who's signaling on behalf of the company.

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