In this episode of Owned and Operated, John and Jack break down the most underrated—and often misunderstood—pillar of business success: cash flow.

They dive deep into what cash flow actually means (hint: it’s not EBITDA or net profit) and why failing to understand it almost tanked their companies. From sharing near-miss horror stories to the practical systems they've built—like automatic savings transfers and cash forecasting—this episode is a must-watch for any operator who wants to build a sustainable, growth-ready business.

Whether you're just starting out or scaling past $10M, John and Jack unpack how better cash flow habits can protect your company from financial landmines and unlock new levels of financial control.

🔹 In This Episode, We Cover:
The real difference between cash flow and profit
Why strong EBITDA doesn’t mean you’re in the clear
How bad cash habits nearly killed the business
Tactical tips for cash flow forecasting and savings
Best practices for managing debt and capital expenditures
The role of a controller in small business finance
Timing large financial decisions to avoid cash crunches
Creating team alignment around cash discipline

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John Wilson, CEO of Wilson Companies
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