Matt Schwab's Journey From a Bush Political Opponent to a Trumpy Guy

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Ben Terris, Washington Post writer and author of The Big Break: The Gamblers, Party Animals, & True Believers Trying to Win in Washington While America Loses Its Mind, joins The Realignment. Ben and Marshall discuss how much the Trump years did (and didn't change Washington, how the city itself works from the perspectives of pollsters, big donors, lobbyists, kingmakers, and lobbyists, and whose gambles about what the "new normal" looks like paid off.