BJ: I think it's useful to acknowledge how different they are even though they both come to mind when we talk about death. And there's the difference between being the one dying and being among the bereaved or soon to be bereaved. There is something different about when your horizon, you know, is in sight. So let's talk about normal life. What do you both advise people to do now? Well, so it's me about to set us up here. It's all right, and then we can play together on this one too. We should cover any side of it you want to,. But perhaps we can start with, and this is sort of where your book

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