i was wondering if there was maybe a period where he got sucked in and had to find his way out. And, oh, absolutely, i think, you know. The challenge isn't that there's these dangerous things that are confronting yo. It's that what's on the inside is so seductive and so appealing' 'You can be so seduced by being there that you don't come out with your chastity and tact', she says.

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