How Did You Get Cast in Rudy?

I met John on Rudy and he was currently in the Improv Olympic. And we had that in common and we just made fun of each other right away. We were kind of similar but different backgrounds and so I liked it. He was very insulting and vice versa. The first year I got cast in nothing. You know it's difficult. But like it seemed like you were hammering around for a long time. What were you working? What were you doing? Well I had I was fortunate you know national commercials paid a lot. See and I did swingers I think it was 24. It was about seven years or so that I was out there.