I was definitely, I was more of a min-maxer in terms of our spend as a company in the early days. And that's been a really tough thing for both me and Yvonne because we're spending my money even though he's not spending money that affects him personally. By improving efficiency, by improving efficiency, it will benefit all of us. It's super hard to find. Companies need that. The fight for survival is what makes us get up in the morning. You're still going to build a lab. What, wouldn't it be boring? I don't think it would be boring.

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