The Church's Affirmation of Gay People

I think he was even saying like, look, if I asked for volunteers and he didn't make a distinction affirming or not, he's like, I'll ask the church and I get hardly anybody. And so having said all that, I think he could be absolutely more clear. Most of the speakers at that conference were all very publicly and some pretty aggressively affirming. But when you say you're not affirming and then host the conference with a ton of affirming speakers who are going to sway the audience, then I just don't think that's helpful at all. It feels like so many people I know that were raised conservative. Then they kind of, their eyes are open