I actually think people get more dignity when they're in environments where they get to grow, not where it's just always perfect. I'm thinking about sort of the metaphor of an all inclusive resort. There is a time and a season to be able to go to one of those. We're not looking for a utopian place where none of this is ever hard. And if you never had the problems, you would never have the joy of having to try to overcome them.

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