The Consequences of Training Frontier Models

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The frontier models are performing so much better is they probably have a lot cleaner data set than some of the earlier open source stuff that is accessible for this kind of work but because they have such a mess. There's all these kind of sub circuits running in superposition on top of each other and so actually there are if when you zero in on this task it is actually reasonable to expect that there is some sub circuit that in isolation could do a better job than the model itself is doing. The goal with defining a task specific metric is to zero in on that perhaps even better than baseline model performance by stripping away this other stuff that in fact might be hurting overall performance on this test yeah exactly I

Arthur Conmy sits down with Nathan Labenz for an accessible deep dive into the state of interpretability research online today. They discuss how pioneering researchers have painstakingly worked to isolate the sub-circuits within transformers that are responsible for different aspects of AI capabilities. Arthur also introduces us to a new ACDC approach that he and his co-authors have taken to automating some of the most time-consuming parts of this work. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/cognitive

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(04:40) What attracted Arthur to mechanistic interpretability?

(07:49) LLM information processing: General Understanding vs Stochastic Parrot Paradigm

(14:00) ACDC paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.14997

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(24:30) Putting together data sets

(32:39) How to intervene in LLMs network activity

(36:00) Defining metrics to evaluate the production of correct completions

(44:20) The future of the mechanistic interpretability research

(50:00) Extracting upstream activations in the ACDC project and evaluating impact on downstream components.

(56:00) Anthropic research findings

(01:08:00) 3-Step process of the ACDC approach

(01:22:00) Setting a threshold and validation

(01:27:00) Goal of the approach

(01:32:00) Compute requirements

Correction: at (01:33:00), Arthur meant to say = "quadratic in nodes"

(01:35:30) Scaling laws for mechanistic interpretability

(01:40:00) Accessibility of this research for casual enthusiasts

(01:46:00) Emergence discourse

(01:56:00) Path to AI safety

LINKS:

https://arthurconmy.github.io/

https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.14997

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