Interpreting Divine Indifference and Integration

Wow, this conversation with Natalie was something else - one of those episodes where you start talking about a brain injury from cleaning a closet (seriously, turn the lights on, people!) and end up in the deep end discussing psychedelics, embodiment theology, and what happens when your brain decides to play tricks on you for two years straight. Natalie's journey through losing her ability to read, write, and even walk properly while being a theologian who studies embodiment is just wild - like, the irony isn't lost on anyone here. We went from talking about her accident (metal rod straight between the eyes, could've been way worse) to functional neurological disorder, to ketamine therapy and psilocybin journeys, with stops along the way for discussions about academic labor, memoir writing with amnesia, and why she finally got a dog after swearing she never would. The whole thing was this beautiful mix of vulnerability, theological nerdery, and real talk about how our bodies and minds can betray us in ways we never saw coming - and somehow we still managed to end with lawyers probably appreciating our thorough disclaimers about not giving medical advice. Classic.

You can WATCH the conversation on YouTube

Dr. Natalie Wigg-Stevenson is Associate Professor of Contextual Education and Theology at Emmanuel College, where she directs the MDiv and Contextual Education Programs. Her current research delves into how ethnographic methods could help create theological conversations across church, academy and everyday life. She is also interested in liturgical, feminist and queer theologies, cultural theories of practice, aesthetics, pop culture, and in decolonizing pedagogies. An ordained Baptist minister, Natalie is particularly passionate about preaching and worship, and about adult education in church settings.

You can check out her previous visit to the podcast here: From Transgressive Devotion to Snuggle Puppy.

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