The Ancient Astrology Texts Are Not So Fatalistic

In episode 392 astrologers Adam Elenbaas and Chris Brennan discuss the relationship between fate and astrology, and how astrology can be used as a tool to study fate. This episode was originally recorded as a Q&A for Adam's YouTube channel, where we answered some questions that were sent in my his fans about fate, free-will, and ancient astrology. During the course of the episode we talk about how ancient astrologers viewed fate, and used astrology as a tool for understanding and negotiating it. Along the way we also touched on other topics such as karma and reincarnation, electional astrology and magic, and how to delineate a birth chart in a way that balances determinism and free-will. This episode is available in both audio and video versions below. Timestamps 00:00:00 Intro 00:03:11 Diverse views of ancient astrologers 00:04:48 Were ancient astrologers fatalistic? 00:07:10 Definition of fate 00:10:35 Complete determinism 00:16:03 Partial determinism 00:19:08 Signs vs Causes 00:30:07 Resources about Jung on astrology 00:31:28 Is fate the same as karma? 00:43:24 Was astrology a religion? 00:49:08 Did ancient astrologers believe your chart was a set of instructions? 01:02:16 Was astrological magic used by all astrologers? 01:10:30 Electional astrology and magic 01:12:44 Limitations of predictive astrology 01:18:20 What successful astrology looks like 01:22:36 Why ancient texts sound fatalistic 01:28:45 Modern astrology's view of charts as a set of potentials 01:37:42 How to deliver a delineation 01:38:45 Why fate is a good thing 01:44:36 Concluding remarks 01:47:04 Patrons and sponsors Watch the Video Version of This Episode Watch the video version of this episode on fate and astrology on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAr4wbJ-gMs - Transcript A full transcript of this episode is available: Episode 392 transcript Listen to the Audio Version of This Episode Listen to the audio version of this episode or download the MP3 here: