And Dr. Dave Rabin, we know you from Apollo Neuro and a few other things, but excited to have you here as well. Can you give people a little bit of your background and how you're involved in Come A Flight?

Sure. So I'm Dr. Dave Raven. I am a board-certified psychiatrist and neuroscientist. I spent a lot of my time treating and researching trauma and addiction, particularly in folks who really struggle with typical Western medical treatments for these conditions. And I'm one of the few psychiatrists nationwide that's trained in both ketamine and MDMA-assisted therapy. I'm an active ketamine practitioner and the chief medical officer of Apollo Neuroscience, which is me wearing here, which is a way to, similar to come a flight, is a way to use physical sensation, what we call like somatic experience, of getting centered in your mind back into your body, which is always present. Our minds can be anywhere, to induce states of calm and healing. And I'm also the executive director of the Board of Medicine, which is a nonprofit medical board that helps to get these technologies integrated into Western medicine more effectively. My role with Calmified is really more of an advisory role because I'm just fascinated by the practice. I use movement therapeutically a lot with my clients. And I see the power of not just somatic techniques, somatic meaning in the body, but movement as a control opportunity for people to retake control over their bodies. Because whether we realize it or not, we can move our bodies at any moment, right? By choice. And we often forget that that's a way to restore a sense of control and agency over ourselves. And so I witnessed come a flight and I've seen similar practices for many years, but witnessed come a flight this past year and was blown away by how beautiful and effective the experience was. And I experienced it myself and found it really incredible. And I think it really builds on this interesting understanding in therapy and trauma healing, which is around trust. And the idea that if when you're in a dance, as you're saying, Jeremy, you have to trust your partner who's leading. And when you're in therapy, you have to trust your therapist because trauma, the essence of trauma is a fractured sense of self-trust, as Gabor Mate says. And so if your sense of trust in yourself is broken, you don't believe you can keep yourself safe, then through dance, through therapy, through body somatic exercises, through come a flight, it's this idea of trust modeling if I can get to a point where I don't remember what it feels like to trust myself, but I can trust this other person to guide me through this practice, then I can remember what it feels like to trust someone else. And I can remember what trust feels like. And then I can start to retrain my memory and ability to trust myself again. And I think that's where a lot of these techniques are heavily rooted and why they're so effective and why color flight

is so, so cool. Love that. Thank you. And this is, I think, an important and timely conversation because there's been some blowback in psychedelic land around touch. And I think that's a grave error, especially the way people are talking about it. And certainly not enough discussion on movement. And I think a practice like this, especially with a partner who one trusts, I think is an amazing thing, complementary to psychedelic therapy. But I'm kind of curious, Jeremy, about what kind of, I guess, internal movement have you seen by teaching people this kind of stuff? Have you seen people in interesting growth spaces as a result of this process at all? Or what have you observed? I

think a lot of the parallels that we'll discuss around psychedelics and comma flight have to do with this rewiring and this repatterning like Dr. Raymond was just sharing and for the Voyager to develop that sense of trust for the base to gain a little more confidence to lead, to restructure the way that they lead. We have groups of people that come together as singles who are just meeting for the first time. We have partners, you know, have been together short term, long term, etc. And I think some of the big dynamics that we've seen in change and transformation and rewiring for a lot of the Voyagers is this sense of being able to let go, which is not easy. And especially in our world, we have so much to do and we're always holding on and working harder. So this sense of letting go, this relaxation and this surrender is one of the big movements we've seen internally with Voyagers. And that sense of trust, again, The base is really rewiring how to guide in a way that can be both firm and gentle, that can be directive and sensitive. We have so much modeling around our leadership and heroes, if you just want to go for like heroes of conquering and force and brute dictators and all of this to establish new patterns of leadership where you can have strength, but also a sensitivity to be tuning in and listening to what your partner needs. You know, if you're in the dance and you're leading as the base and you move into a stretch and you feel the Voyager let out a deep breath or exhale, that's a cue to you. This is a good moment to let it linger, to be there for a a moment with your Voyager. Likewise, or conversely, if you move into a stretch or something and you feel tension in the Voyager's body or a shortness of breath, that's a signal to the base that perhaps they're not comfortable. That's either a moment to check in, which we encourage lots and lots of check-ins it's part of the procedures i've built around this practice either check in or just restart have a moment to talk about that hey what come what came up i noticed you know tension anything you want to share and just really encouraging that kind of communication um as much as we can openly with people there are four principles that are guiding this practice that were developed. And the first one, the first two are permission and presence. Permission is the, and Dr. Rabin will speak more to this, permission is the state of moving towards. It's creating, I like to just call it creating a safe space and container for your partner to say yes, to lean in. We're either leaning in or away from something. And so permission is through communication, through consent, through dialogue, through the slowness and the gentleness and the confidence of our movement, creating the condition for your partner to say yes. That's not just the Voyager who's receiving, but also what comes up a lot is the base when you're learning this. It's so challenging because like everyone gets in their head around, am I doing this right? Am I doing this right? Especially in a workshop or class, you're seeing other people, oh, I'm not doing it as good or strong or, you know, beautiful as they are. And so the Voyager is helping the base feel comfortable to learn, to learn something new and to be a little messy in that process. The second principle is presence, which is just inviting a mindfulness to let this be a moving meditation, to make sure that we do our best to free the clutter of our mind before we come to the table and to just be here with our breath, body, and partner. The following two principles are polarity and play. So polarity is suggesting that two things are not in the same place at the same time. There is a push-pull dynamic that is happening at all times. And even though the base is leading, it doesn't mean that the base is always pushing or pulling. It's this collaboration back and forth, like we were saying, and that there are two clear roles to occupy. One of the great benefits of this practice is not just having people occupy a base or Voyager, but switching. So we always switch as much as we can, especially early on. Partners who are able to then do the opposite, if you were just being flown, the opportunity to now fly or stretch somebody is helping to create that understanding of, oh, this is what it's like for them and to understand the roles that are at play. And play is the last principle. Play being a sense of creativity, joy, expression to let it be offered in a good way. But also when we first learn something, it can be really heady and tricky and we're really in our mind. And eventually it becomes embodied and, and meditative. And in that way we get to experience more creation, uh, more spontaneous arising and, and, um, uh, improv.