Episode 346 - Hendrik Bessembinder: Why It's So Hard to Beat the Market
The Rational Reminder Podcast
Navigating Mutual Fund Performance
This chapter explores the empirical investigation of mutual fund returns, focusing on the challenges funds face in outperforming market benchmarks like the SPY. Discussions include the implications of management fees, the behavioral tendencies of investors chasing returns, and the complexities of choosing between active and passive investment strategies. Ultimately, the conversation provides insights into navigating mutual fund effectiveness and the importance of financial education for informed investment decisions.
Did you know that just a handful of stocks drive nearly all of the stock market’s long-term gains? In this episode, we sit down with Hendrik Bessembinder to discuss his groundbreaking research on why most stocks fail to outperform Treasury bills and how a small fraction of stocks generate the most long-term market returns. Hendrik is a Professor in the Department of Finance at Arizona State University whose research focuses on market design, trading, and long-term investment performance across stock, foreign exchange, fixed income, futures, and energy markets. In addition to his academic contributions, Professor Bessembinder has over 25 years of consulting experience, advising major firms, financial markets, and government agencies. In our conversation, we delve into the findings of his research and find out how a small fraction of stocks generate the majority of long-term returns. We explore why traditional investment strategies often overlook the impact of skewness, the impacts of broad diversification and passive investing, and why active fund managers struggle to beat the market. Discover why chasing past returns can lead to costly mistakes, his latest research on 'sustainable returns', what type of industries have the highest stock returns, common investing mistakes, and more. Join us to uncover the surprising realities of stock market returns and how you can build a portfolio that stands the test of time with Professor Hendrik Bessembinder.
Key Points From This Episode:
(0:03:54) Explore Hendrik’s research on long-term stock returns and how most returns come from a small group of stocks.
(0:08:30) Learn how company size interacts with the skewness in stock returns and what it means for individual investors.
(0:11:39) Considering fundamentals in stock returns and the implications of skewness for measuring portfolio performance.
(0:15:42) Unpack how he used bootstrap simulations in his paper and the performance of stock returns versus Treasury bills.
(0:19:01) Find out the proportion of US firms responsible for dollar wealth creation and why diversification is essential for long-term stock returns.
(0:25:23) Navigating volatility in the market and why it is difficult to identify skilled managers in time to leverage the market.
(0:28:00) Compare the performance of US stocks versus global stocks and what is driving their performance.
(0:32:04) What the findings of his research means for financial planners and individual investors.
(0:35:35) Uncover which US firms generated the highest returns and what type of industries these companies are in.
(0:42:07) Hear about the long-term performance of US mutual funds and how investor behaviour contributes to it.
(0:49:54) How passive investing and index funds have reduced the contributions of actively managed mutual funds and the lessons for investors.
(0:55:48) Discover Professor Bessembinder's broader research interests and his definition of success.
Links From Today’s Episode: Meet with PWL Capital: https://calendly.com/d/3vm-t2j-h3p
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Professor Hendrik Bessembinder — https://search.asu.edu/profile/2717225
Arizona State University — https://www.asu.edu/
KRIS — https://www.kris-online.com/
Professor Hendrik Bessembinder papers on SSRN — https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=667
SPIVA — https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/research-insights/spiva/
Episode 322: Professor Marco Sammon — https://rationalreminder.ca/podcast/322
Episode 124: Professor Lubos Pastor — https://rationalreminder.ca/podcast/124
Papers From Today’s Episode:
'Do Stocks Outperform Treasury Bills?' — https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304405X18301521
'Extending Portfolio Theory to Compound Returns' — https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3875870
'Luck versus Skill in the Cross-Section of Mutual Fund Returns' — https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1540-6261.2010.01598.x
'Measuring Skill in the Mutual Fund Industry' — https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0304405X15000628
'Long-Term Shareholder Returns: Evidence from 64,000 Global Stocks' — https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0015198X.2023.2188870
'Which U.S. Stocks Generated the Highest Long-Term Returns?' — https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4897069
'How Should Investors’ Long-Term Returns Be Measured?' — https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0015198X.2024.2401765
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