A couple podcast episodes ago I had a guy named Joey Kefonon. He wrote this book called the laws of creativity. In the podcast episode, he did a little exercise with me which really changed my mindset on connected thought. And I'd like to do that same exercise it's very short it's only like two minutes long would you like to do to be be my guest? Sure. Is one of your favorite books that you've read is "Sacred drift" One of your favorite niche hobbies is probably surfing. You don't know if it's a hobby but certainly yeah certainly something I do.

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