Are You Optimistic About the Pandemic?

Are you optimistic that people are beginning to wake up, they're becoming woke in that sense? I wouldn't be too black or white about that, but on a personal level, I think we've been through a really interesting period with the pandemic. People have learned that actually they don't need to commute five days a week, but they can spend two or three of those days in their community. And so if there is a restoration, Stephen, of community life, I think then I would be optimistic, but I would see it more coming out of that than from some great new book or philosophy that will be popularised for a season.