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I'm Just Curious, Where Are These Strong Opinions Coming From?
Lucas: I have to say I kind of pigeonholed you into like a command line, text mode, like hardcore programmer type. And then I started reading your more recent blog posts and I'm like, dang, Lucas goes deep on engineering and software development. So essentially I've been doing software engineering for a very long time. But in my previous place, so he got to a more management related role. He was starting to think about how do I organize people? How do I make these people productive? And you know, how do I make engineers work well with thought of departments? That's the story.